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on this episode of skeptico

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a show about love in the extended

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consciousness realm

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we can't directly establish causation

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right if you look at what richard dolan

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was this guiding of the

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tall greys and the

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reported experiences of these people of

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overwhelming love and you compare this

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to the near death experience reports of

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this overwhelming love and then you look

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at for instance the new testament and

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it's all about love love is all that

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matters we also look at the

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counter culture in the 60s 1960s with

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the beatles all you need is love and

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beatles and uh

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you did that um

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album abbey road

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and uh the song goes uh and in the end

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the love you take is equal to the love

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yes chris in in my experience it is i

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find the more you give the more you get

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i have an interview coming up in a

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minute with nelson insert pseudoname

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there who

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did just a fantastic interview with me a

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couple months ago i have no idea why i

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sat on this as long as i did

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it's actually so good that i've broken

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it up into two parts because we talk

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about so many things and we talk about

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this other subject we'll kind of hint at

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at the end but it's so different that i

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want to break it into a separate episode

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but anyway all this other great stuff is

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coming up now in my interview with

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nelson we roll right into this so i will

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welcome to skeptica where we explore

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controversial science and spirituality

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with leading researchers thinkers and

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their critics i'm your host alex sacaris

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and today we welcome a guy who just

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amazing to me

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that nelson found

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the show and then found me through the

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forum i feel so grateful to have

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connected with him he's so smart and has

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brought so many brilliant

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new fresh ideas to the table this kind

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of level three discussion is exactly

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what i love to do in these shows so

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he doesn't have a website he doesn't

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have a book yet he's just a really

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really smart guy and i hope you enjoy

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this dialogue with him

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is that all right with you then just if

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we because i've written those just the

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the highlights of this and you remember

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our discussions way back because you

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know i know she was doing the

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the website through the facebook site

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from the youtube videos yep

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i mean so we go away but we go way back

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my man so you know we we ought to start

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with i mean that's that's

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that's was enough of a reason to chat up

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just totally

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blew my mind is when you sent the latest

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thing about the slave mentality

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in the romans because it just rings true

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and there's a lot of subtle things to

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unravel there

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you know

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we ought to start with kind of who you

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are in your background

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and then i i think i just don't know

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where to go on the bledsoe thing we'll

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just do it and then if it's okay with

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you i might not

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go forward with that just because all

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the reasons i told you but i'd love to

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have that chat with you so nelson you're

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here tell tell me a little bit about i

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really don't know or can't remember much

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about your background tell me

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yeah so it's i'm a classical scholar so

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ancient greece and rome

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zealand with this

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professors who really respected just the

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ancient history and the cultures and the

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these new professors they were more and

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ancient religions as just superstition

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and the entire aesthetic of the art for

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instance i was a paid researcher in

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ancient greek bars

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paintings and i just noticed that this

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corrupted and i just really wanted to

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the ancient world and just to immerse

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and so my professors for instance they

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said that i could go on to be a pro to

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that the ceiling was limitless from for

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but i just decided with a heavy heart

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that i just couldn't carry on with the

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way the academy had basically been

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we were more interested in pushing

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gender than the actual ancient past can

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i interject a question because i think

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this is like a super important point

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that i keep running into again and again

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i don't have the answer to it

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to what extent do you think

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there has been this sea change that

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you're talking about because i'm sure

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you could go find old-timers there that

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here are the political games that i had

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to play and you know all the rest of

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that stuff and maybe it varies from

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a department department maybe it varies

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from administration to administration i

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sense from just what i've done here that

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there really is a change but i don't

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want to i want to fight that too and i

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really want to challenge that do you

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know what i mean do you want to explore

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frankfurter school for instance way back

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that there were these

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machinations before then to become

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and more just to to instill in the

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ideology just a few points that they

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of the oppressor versus the

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same playbook different play you know

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where now it's a different agenda being

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fishboard or is there really something

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new in terms of the consolidation of

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control and power do you feel like you

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have the ability to go to

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another institution and have it be

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different or what are your

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nelson i mean we we kind of get locked

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oppressed and this is the way it is if

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no absolutely i can understand that and

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more nuanced processes of history of the

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development of things they're just like

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and a point where they can just mark

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of these faculties have just been taken

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the ancient past that they

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and often unwittingly just pushed out

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were brilliant researchers and teachers

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that they just ended up um retiring and

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then the new people who are coming in

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faculty just gets taken over and tenure

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for instance an entire faculty just

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being just being fired basically so

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everyone was let loose and then they

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in so that was that was a run around

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the institution the other thing i've

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heard about tenure is the other game

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that they play is

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they're just changing the rules going

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forward you know because i've heard from

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people that have come on the show say i

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have tenure but i'm a dying breed you

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and and to your point when they hire

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people they just hire them and that's

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part of their employment agreement it's

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a non-tenure track you know or they'll

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they'll eliminate it so they have a lot

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of little things but if you think about

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it tenure doesn't really serve the

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it you know would you want tenure if you

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were running a department would you

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really want tenure if you were running a

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university would you really want tenure

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and i think it kind of to me it also

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relates to this whole thing about

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capitalism and of course capitalism run

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amok is a disaster and that's why we

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have these rules but it's almost like

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the reverse of that yeah if i was

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running if i was running a business i'd

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want no restrictions no controls and the

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i wouldn't want tenure because that is

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reduces my ability to control and it's

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see this kind of left right they don't

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see the shades of it's just

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people want total power to do what they

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a control that you you probably should

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speak to that more because

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you that was your that was your your

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life there for a while speak to the

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whole tenure thing i when i began i i

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just had this naive view that i could

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get into the academy become

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a well-known researcher just through the

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competency that i brought to it but then

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i just realized more and more that they

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just talking to professors that they

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weren't most of them that i encountered

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in different faculties

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that they were

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really only interested in

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basically just

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getting published that was the main

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thing for them actually so it was just

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this

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the selfish the selfish aim to just get

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published or perish right you just

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have to keep publishing and

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many of them were publishing dozens and

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dozens of articles but the readership on

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these is almost zero

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so you can even

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statistically see this that how often an

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article is cited of course and i think

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the average in the humanities is only

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one one citation i i you know one of the

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conversations i had a while ago i don't

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know if you remember what was a

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virginia tech professor named dr henry

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bauer and he's

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an older guy and he's been around and

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he's really kind of seen a lot of things

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and he's kind of got interested in the

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hiv aids thing and that was one of the

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things that i don't want to go too far

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into that but

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very good science and he also got

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interested in just people whose

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in academia whose ideas were being

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suppressed but what he pointed out from

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a big picture standpoint that i thought

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was really interesting and plays into

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what you're saying

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he said if you look at it from an

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economic model

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in the 50s there was this huge

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increase in funding for

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all sorts of academic endeavors whether

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it's in the humanities or the sciences

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or whatever there was money it just

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and then

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to

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reign that in and when you reduce the

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pool

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well the fish that were in there and

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were kind of swimming and getting along

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because there was plenty of food

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started having to attack each other and

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and that's what i think

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that competitive environment

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was utilized by maybe and i'll get your

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opinion on this became a tool and a

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vehicle for

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people who wanted to control the

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situation control the message whether it

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was a corporate

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entity trying to advance its drug or

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whether it was someone who is trying to

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advance a certain idea they saw an

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opportunity that wow now i have these

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guys jumping through all sorts of hoops

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for relatively nothing in terms of what

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i can give in terms of a grant or a

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citation or all the rest of that what do

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you think about bowers analysis of that

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from an economic model

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well i didn't actually see that

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interview i've seen most of your

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interviews but it just is a fascinating

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point what you brought up because

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i just remembered straight away as you

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said that clifford geertz he's a

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cultural anthropologist and very

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influential he was maybe the most cited

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of any anthropologist in the last decade

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he said explicitly

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that he got into the academy when it

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opened up during that time that you were

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mentioning that there was an

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explosion of positions in the university

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system

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and that he got in at the right time

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during the way

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and i and he was really influential with

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just

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changing

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anthropology from something that you

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could empirically and

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sort of objectively analyze that you

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could really have discussions about

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measurable facts

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to something that is

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postmodern that you just it's just an

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opinion

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and the meaning of words are just

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completely turned around and twisted and

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so you can't really even

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have a discussion about facts anymore

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anthropology

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and

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this just reminds me that um

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looking at from a conspiratorial angle

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that if you want to

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take over

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a faculty

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at a university

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you would open up

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the number of positions

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get your people in

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who are on your side

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and then once they're in like let's say

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you've got

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half of the faculty who are

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more just old-school who are just

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interested in the material you open it

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up so that there are twice as many

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people

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but you're hiring the ones that you want

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and then you constrict it again

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like a funnel just

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constricting more and more and that's

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what's happening maybe

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that's quite brilliant i hadn't heard of

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that before but doesn't that make a lot

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of sense that's that's really quite

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interesting

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yeah so so nelson what what should we

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there's so many interesting

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things we could talk about again we've

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had this wonderful wonderful

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relationship it's so cool to talk to you

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for the first time but

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i i can't i say this all the time but

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you know i feel connected to you just

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through the emails and the forum and

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over the years and this connection we

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have through the show and it's it is

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great to talk to you but it doesn't feel

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even like it's the first time talking to

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you even though it is but in the in

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recently we've had an email exchange

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that is really

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i don't know just taken blown my mind as

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i said earlier and there's a couple

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different parts of that that we would

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might want to talk about where do you

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think we might start what's on what's on

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your agenda

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okay first off i have to give credit to

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marti gaza who is a

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an expert on the field of ufos

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and he did this amazing series on

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brothers of the certain podcast with

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whom you've had interviews before

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and he did the series on ufos and i

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believe if i'm

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um

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remembering correctly that marty was

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actually a

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consultant at fox news

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for one of their shows on ufos that he

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was

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the expert that they had where people

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would call in about their sightings and

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marty would then analyze the likelihood

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that that actually was a ufo not just

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some

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aircraft

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and so

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if anyone wants to see this then in more

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detail than

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this uh series with marty on brothers of

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a certain podcast or just to say that

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and

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this really just

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this series blew my mind and

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he comes from this study looking ufo

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whereas i come from

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the perspective of

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academically

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studying and teaching

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mythology

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ancient religions

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and just the way that people thought

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back in the ancient world

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and so the two of us we were talking on

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the brothers of the serpent discord

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forum

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marty and i

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and we did have some

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disagreements with details but just

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overall it was amazing how much

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there is this continuum between

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the phenomena in the ancient world of

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the myths talking of these

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beings which are far more powerful than

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humans

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who shape-shift

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who capricious who

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yet behave unpredictably that they can

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implant thoughts into people's minds

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abduct people at will and who can breed

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with people

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and then if we look at that

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as a general phenomena just looking at

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that as a

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as a pattern just as a

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as a meta-analysis we go then through

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folklore

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and speaking of exactly the same thing

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one of the greatest folklore researchers

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said that that's the main theme in

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folklore is

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basically hybridization between

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these entities and humans

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and then we go into the witch trials in

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the middle ages and coming into the

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early modern period

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where they're talking about the same

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things this is a central theme

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for instance the mallius melafocarum

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which is the main text of the witch

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trials

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is

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the interbreeding between humans and

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these demons as they call them but

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they're basically these these

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paranormal entities and then if we go

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further into ufology

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going way back

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as well before roswell and everything

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but we're getting into into this as well

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that there are these beings

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who are coming down from the sky or

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somehow appearing from the earth

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they seem extremely telepathic they can

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shape-shift

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seemingly well

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they're luminous and they can

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basically abduct people and breed with

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them

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and they're

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obsessed with bloodlines

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and they're creating this progeny which

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is a hybridization of

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human and what i will call in this

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interview just ufo being just as in

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quotation marks because it's very

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difficult to define what these entities

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are whether they're

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gods or some sort of consciousness or

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some sort of

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material purely material being if we

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want to call it we're going to

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interweave this discussion back to the

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first part of

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the controlled message and we're talking

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about the controlled message in academia

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which seems to be lying behind that you

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know why are things moving in a certain

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direction why is the theme kind of

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relativism and what i always point out

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why does it go back philosophically to

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materialism you are meaningless you are

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a biological robot which is the

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underlying

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point i think in the humanities and they

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don't even realize it because they're

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not tuned into consciousness really

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being the fundamental question in

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science so they don't even notice when

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someone is

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steering them in in a direction that

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leads towards affirming this kind of

572
00:21:22,070 --> 00:21:20,640
scientific materialism but i think

573
00:21:23,669 --> 00:21:22,080
that's the game

574
00:21:25,510 --> 00:21:23,679
at hand and you're nodding your head so

575
00:21:27,750 --> 00:21:25,520
i think we'd agree

576
00:21:29,350 --> 00:21:27,760
but i i i think

577
00:21:32,390 --> 00:21:29,360
i don't want to get too far off the

578
00:21:35,590 --> 00:21:32,400
trail but i i can't resist throwing this

579
00:21:37,110 --> 00:21:35,600
just little sub point on the table is i

580
00:21:41,430 --> 00:21:37,120
almost feel like

581
00:21:44,789 --> 00:21:41,440
when we keep talking about ufos and uaps

582
00:21:47,430 --> 00:21:44,799
there is a certain kind of conditioning

583
00:21:48,789 --> 00:21:47,440
psyop thing going on there because i

584
00:21:50,710 --> 00:21:48,799
can't believe the number of people i

585
00:21:53,830 --> 00:21:50,720
talk to and say well let's talk about

586
00:21:55,909 --> 00:21:53,840
e.t let's talk about abduction and

587
00:21:57,750 --> 00:21:55,919
there's they're they're resistant to

588
00:21:59,990 --> 00:21:57,760
going there and and there's like a

589
00:22:01,990 --> 00:22:00,000
pullback and it's like well i don't know

590
00:22:03,830 --> 00:22:02,000
i don't know how i feel about that i

591
00:22:06,470 --> 00:22:03,840
believe in

592
00:22:07,909 --> 00:22:06,480
ufos i believe but i'm not willing to go

593
00:22:10,230 --> 00:22:07,919
there and i'm like

594
00:22:13,110 --> 00:22:10,240
okay think that through for me and tell

595
00:22:15,270 --> 00:22:13,120
me how you're putting that together you

596
00:22:16,310 --> 00:22:15,280
know in in if you're if you're putting

597
00:22:18,789 --> 00:22:16,320
that together

598
00:22:21,990 --> 00:22:18,799
you know specifically in terms of saying

599
00:22:25,270 --> 00:22:22,000
well i think they're all drones operated

600
00:22:27,669 --> 00:22:25,280
you know then uh okay but it just seems

601
00:22:30,310 --> 00:22:27,679
to me that that what's been

602
00:22:33,029 --> 00:22:30,320
planted into the system is this kind of

603
00:22:36,230 --> 00:22:33,039
blot this almost mental block that like

604
00:22:37,590 --> 00:22:36,240
i will accept the evidence of the ufo

605
00:22:40,870 --> 00:22:37,600
uap

606
00:22:42,470 --> 00:22:40,880
but i won't even begin to go there with

607
00:22:44,310 --> 00:22:42,480
the et

608
00:22:46,230 --> 00:22:44,320
because it leads to all the things

609
00:22:48,950 --> 00:22:46,240
you're talking about it leads to

610
00:22:52,390 --> 00:22:48,960
abduction it leads to genetic

611
00:22:55,270 --> 00:22:52,400
manipulation it leads to what is our

612
00:22:57,350 --> 00:22:55,280
history how far back does our history go

613
00:22:59,510 --> 00:22:57,360
and of course it leads to

614
00:23:00,789 --> 00:22:59,520
the extended consciousness realm and

615
00:23:04,549 --> 00:23:00,799
what role

616
00:23:07,110 --> 00:23:04,559
are these beings entities whatever

617
00:23:09,510 --> 00:23:07,120
playing in that in that game in that

618
00:23:11,510 --> 00:23:09,520
extended field but if i can roll that

619
00:23:14,310 --> 00:23:11,520
back what do you think about that it's

620
00:23:15,830 --> 00:23:14,320
kind of a crazy idea i know but

621
00:23:17,909 --> 00:23:15,840
do you think there's anything to that

622
00:23:18,870 --> 00:23:17,919
nelson have you noticed

623
00:23:26,789 --> 00:23:18,880
that

624
00:23:29,510 --> 00:23:26,799
people have mentally between ufos and

625
00:23:32,789 --> 00:23:29,520
i have but i actually um experienced the

626
00:23:33,750 --> 00:23:32,799
ufo myself as i communicated two years

627
00:23:35,430 --> 00:23:33,760
ago

628
00:23:37,510 --> 00:23:35,440
and i just assumed that it was a nuts

629
00:23:38,390 --> 00:23:37,520
and bolts sort of craft

630
00:23:40,149 --> 00:23:38,400
and that

631
00:23:41,350 --> 00:23:40,159
it was just

632
00:23:43,430 --> 00:23:41,360
simple

633
00:23:44,390 --> 00:23:43,440
and just to very very briefly describe

634
00:23:49,430 --> 00:23:44,400
this

635
00:23:52,070 --> 00:23:49,440
a hostile in australia

636
00:23:54,950 --> 00:23:52,080
and he told me that he is in sort of a

637
00:23:56,630 --> 00:23:54,960
telepathic communication with ufos

638
00:23:58,710 --> 00:23:56,640
and then in this state where he lives in

639
00:24:01,029 --> 00:23:58,720
the us i think it was new mexico or

640
00:24:03,269 --> 00:24:01,039
arizona where it's really

641
00:24:04,789 --> 00:24:03,279
desert-like and clear skies he said that

642
00:24:06,630 --> 00:24:04,799
above his house

643
00:24:08,710 --> 00:24:06,640
every night there are these ufos and

644
00:24:10,390 --> 00:24:08,720
that they're all over the house

645
00:24:13,350 --> 00:24:10,400
and that he

646
00:24:15,190 --> 00:24:13,360
and his two sort of housemates that they

647
00:24:17,029 --> 00:24:15,200
have this telepathic communication with

648
00:24:18,710 --> 00:24:17,039
this light

649
00:24:20,630 --> 00:24:18,720
and i asked them how well to what extent

650
00:24:22,950 --> 00:24:20,640
is this connection that you had with

651
00:24:26,710 --> 00:24:22,960
them and he said that he can

652
00:24:28,630 --> 00:24:26,720
tell when these lights are in the sky

653
00:24:29,830 --> 00:24:28,640
telepathically and that they're not

654
00:24:32,710 --> 00:24:29,840
hostile

655
00:24:35,190 --> 00:24:32,720
but more than that he has no idea

656
00:24:37,669 --> 00:24:35,200
and so he was saying that

657
00:24:39,830 --> 00:24:37,679
this ufo had been following him around

658
00:24:42,470 --> 00:24:39,840
the whole world from america to

659
00:24:43,909 --> 00:24:42,480
australia when when we were backpacking

660
00:24:45,750 --> 00:24:43,919
just that

661
00:24:47,590 --> 00:24:45,760
it was present sometimes

662
00:24:49,190 --> 00:24:47,600
and so one night we're on the balcony of

663
00:24:52,470 --> 00:24:49,200
the hostel

664
00:24:55,190 --> 00:24:52,480
and it was the evening and he just said

665
00:24:57,190 --> 00:24:55,200
i can sense that this ufo is here now

666
00:24:59,110 --> 00:24:57,200
and we were looking in the sky

667
00:25:01,029 --> 00:24:59,120
and we saw him on the horizon towards

668
00:25:03,110 --> 00:25:01,039
the blue mountains towards the interior

669
00:25:05,510 --> 00:25:03,120
of australia this

670
00:25:07,430 --> 00:25:05,520
light which looked like a star

671
00:25:10,710 --> 00:25:07,440
and it started moving

672
00:25:11,990 --> 00:25:10,720
and it was in a zigzag like this

673
00:25:14,950 --> 00:25:12,000
and it was

674
00:25:16,950 --> 00:25:14,960
changing direction at a very sharp angle

675
00:25:19,430 --> 00:25:16,960
and not slowing down whatsoever

676
00:25:20,470 --> 00:25:19,440
and at this time i'd i'd only just heard

677
00:25:22,470 --> 00:25:20,480
very

678
00:25:24,470 --> 00:25:22,480
cursorily just

679
00:25:25,669 --> 00:25:24,480
what a ufo is supposed to be and i just

680
00:25:27,830 --> 00:25:25,679
assumed that there would probably be

681
00:25:30,870 --> 00:25:27,840
some sort of craft up there some flying

682
00:25:32,630 --> 00:25:30,880
saucer maybe that was making this light

683
00:25:34,149 --> 00:25:32,640
and so

684
00:25:35,590 --> 00:25:34,159
i was just amazed and was telling people

685
00:25:38,070 --> 00:25:35,600
in the hostel and one of the people in

686
00:25:39,750 --> 00:25:38,080
the hostel there in sydney

687
00:25:41,269 --> 00:25:39,760
in the kitchen of the hostel he said no

688
00:25:43,269 --> 00:25:41,279
you should be careful with these lights

689
00:25:44,789 --> 00:25:43,279
there prophesied in the book of

690
00:25:46,070 --> 00:25:44,799
revelations and that they're from the

691
00:25:48,549 --> 00:25:46,080
devil

692
00:25:50,870 --> 00:25:48,559
and he was very adamant about this and

693
00:25:53,190 --> 00:25:50,880
i just got a bit concerned that if you

694
00:25:55,430 --> 00:25:53,200
tell people that they have all of these

695
00:25:57,430 --> 00:25:55,440
these ideas these preconceived ideas of

696
00:25:59,190 --> 00:25:57,440
what these things are

697
00:26:01,029 --> 00:25:59,200
and for myself i just believed it was

698
00:26:04,230 --> 00:26:01,039
nuts and bolts right

699
00:26:06,230 --> 00:26:04,240
and then i was talking to you

700
00:26:07,990 --> 00:26:06,240
years later and

701
00:26:08,870 --> 00:26:08,000
in the form they're skeptical and i was

702
00:26:11,029 --> 00:26:08,880
just

703
00:26:12,630 --> 00:26:11,039
telling this other experience that i had

704
00:26:14,630 --> 00:26:12,640
of this

705
00:26:16,789 --> 00:26:14,640
reincarnation flashback which i'll call

706
00:26:18,470 --> 00:26:16,799
it in quotation marks

707
00:26:20,070 --> 00:26:18,480
and it was that

708
00:26:22,630 --> 00:26:20,080
at the hostel there in australia in

709
00:26:24,470 --> 00:26:22,640
sydney it was in the evening

710
00:26:27,029 --> 00:26:24,480
and i was walking from the hostel to the

711
00:26:28,549 --> 00:26:27,039
beach about 50 meters away

712
00:26:30,950 --> 00:26:28,559
and i was at the car park between the

713
00:26:32,870 --> 00:26:30,960
hostel and the beach

714
00:26:35,269 --> 00:26:32,880
and then suddenly i could feel this

715
00:26:37,590 --> 00:26:35,279
energy in my body this uh

716
00:26:39,990 --> 00:26:37,600
energy flow got very strong going up and

717
00:26:42,070 --> 00:26:40,000
down from head to toe

718
00:26:44,470 --> 00:26:42,080
and then suddenly i couldn't move

719
00:26:47,430 --> 00:26:44,480
and i just stood there

720
00:26:48,870 --> 00:26:47,440
in the middle of the night there and

721
00:26:50,390 --> 00:26:48,880
no alcohol or drugs or anything like

722
00:26:53,110 --> 00:26:50,400
that i don't take drugs or anything just

723
00:26:53,830 --> 00:26:53,120
to make clear and so i was just standing

724
00:26:55,830 --> 00:26:53,840
there

725
00:26:59,029 --> 00:26:55,840
feeling this energy and couldn't move a

726
00:27:01,909 --> 00:26:59,039
muscle and then suddenly everything went

727
00:27:03,909 --> 00:27:01,919
blindingly white electric white sort of

728
00:27:06,149 --> 00:27:03,919
light

729
00:27:07,909 --> 00:27:06,159
and then slowly out of this whiteness

730
00:27:09,990 --> 00:27:07,919
and i could i couldn't feel my body

731
00:27:12,789 --> 00:27:10,000
anymore i couldn't sense time

732
00:27:15,990 --> 00:27:12,799
i saw out of this whiteness this scene

733
00:27:19,190 --> 00:27:16,000
before my eyes of this landscape which

734
00:27:21,110 --> 00:27:19,200
somehow i knew was in the ancient past

735
00:27:24,630 --> 00:27:21,120
and i was looking down on this river

736
00:27:26,870 --> 00:27:24,640
valley which was arid the valley but

737
00:27:29,190 --> 00:27:26,880
by the river was this temple

738
00:27:30,630 --> 00:27:29,200
and on the portico of the temple was

739
00:27:31,909 --> 00:27:30,640
this figure

740
00:27:34,789 --> 00:27:31,919
who was

741
00:27:37,029 --> 00:27:34,799
dressed in white clothes he had a

742
00:27:39,269 --> 00:27:37,039
bald head shaved head

743
00:27:40,710 --> 00:27:39,279
and i was looking down at him and

744
00:27:43,350 --> 00:27:40,720
somehow i knew

745
00:27:45,669 --> 00:27:43,360
that this was a previous incarnation

746
00:27:47,590 --> 00:27:45,679
of an egyptian priest and that i was

747
00:27:50,149 --> 00:27:47,600
watching him

748
00:27:51,750 --> 00:27:50,159
as a past life experience

749
00:27:53,830 --> 00:27:51,760
and i don't know how long i witnessed

750
00:27:54,630 --> 00:27:53,840
this for but then

751
00:27:57,990 --> 00:27:54,640
the

752
00:27:59,669 --> 00:27:58,000
whiteness came back

753
00:28:01,990 --> 00:27:59,679
it's electric light and then i could

754
00:28:03,830 --> 00:28:02,000
sense my body again and the energy was

755
00:28:05,269 --> 00:28:03,840
just flowing

756
00:28:07,190 --> 00:28:05,279
up and down

757
00:28:10,549 --> 00:28:07,200
shaking my body

758
00:28:12,950 --> 00:28:10,559
and i could slowly start to move again

759
00:28:14,310 --> 00:28:12,960
and that was my reincarnation experience

760
00:28:16,230 --> 00:28:14,320
and this would become

761
00:28:18,230 --> 00:28:16,240
more important as we discuss what this

762
00:28:20,230 --> 00:28:18,240
could have actually meant because it's

763
00:28:22,310 --> 00:28:20,240
very existential and has

764
00:28:24,950 --> 00:28:22,320
your view listeners will

765
00:28:27,430 --> 00:28:24,960
notice the similarities between what i

766
00:28:28,950 --> 00:28:27,440
just described in near-death experiences

767
00:28:29,750 --> 00:28:28,960
as well

768
00:28:31,669 --> 00:28:29,760
but

769
00:28:34,070 --> 00:28:31,679
i told you about this reincarnation

770
00:28:36,389 --> 00:28:34,080
flashback on the forum

771
00:28:37,510 --> 00:28:36,399
and then you said and and then you said

772
00:28:39,269 --> 00:28:37,520
to me

773
00:28:41,430 --> 00:28:39,279
that there is research

774
00:28:43,830 --> 00:28:41,440
that ufo experiences

775
00:28:47,029 --> 00:28:43,840
and near-death experiences are often

776
00:28:49,029 --> 00:28:47,039
within a short period of each other

777
00:28:50,950 --> 00:28:49,039
and that just blew my mind when i heard

778
00:28:53,350 --> 00:28:50,960
that because i thought straight away of

779
00:28:55,430 --> 00:28:53,360
this reincarnation flashback

780
00:28:57,510 --> 00:28:55,440
and how similar this is to a near-death

781
00:29:00,630 --> 00:28:57,520
experience and that this

782
00:29:02,230 --> 00:29:00,640
flashback was within a few days of

783
00:29:03,510 --> 00:29:02,240
seeing the ufo

784
00:29:05,350 --> 00:29:03,520
at the hostel

785
00:29:08,149 --> 00:29:05,360
after this friend of mine had left

786
00:29:10,070 --> 00:29:08,159
australia back to america i was looking

787
00:29:11,510 --> 00:29:10,080
at the sky every evening

788
00:29:12,389 --> 00:29:11,520
and

789
00:29:15,590 --> 00:29:12,399
within

790
00:29:18,389 --> 00:29:15,600
two days i think it was of him leaving

791
00:29:20,789 --> 00:29:18,399
i saw this this starlight light in the

792
00:29:22,870 --> 00:29:20,799
sky doing this again this time on the

793
00:29:25,350 --> 00:29:22,880
other horizon towards the

794
00:29:27,350 --> 00:29:25,360
pacific and it was on the horizon moving

795
00:29:29,350 --> 00:29:27,360
in that characteristic shape

796
00:29:31,350 --> 00:29:29,360
and then it suddenly just went down and

797
00:29:33,669 --> 00:29:31,360
i don't know if it went over the horizon

798
00:29:35,029 --> 00:29:33,679
or into the sea

799
00:29:36,710 --> 00:29:35,039
but

800
00:29:39,510 --> 00:29:36,720
yeah that was what happened basically

801
00:29:41,590 --> 00:29:39,520
and the reincarnation flashback was

802
00:29:45,110 --> 00:29:41,600
within this

803
00:29:47,350 --> 00:29:45,120
week to 10 long a 10-day long period

804
00:29:50,149 --> 00:29:47,360
so it's extremely unlikely that that was

805
00:29:52,870 --> 00:29:50,159
a coincidence i feel

806
00:29:56,149 --> 00:29:52,880
yeah there does seem to be something to

807
00:29:58,870 --> 00:29:56,159
the opening up to this extended realm

808
00:30:01,269 --> 00:29:58,880
and i'm always hesitant to

809
00:30:02,870 --> 00:30:01,279
go too far there because

810
00:30:05,269 --> 00:30:02,880
fundamentally

811
00:30:08,149 --> 00:30:05,279
we don't understand consciousness

812
00:30:09,669 --> 00:30:08,159
and that's been my that's in my gig my

813
00:30:11,909 --> 00:30:09,679
soapbox for

814
00:30:15,190 --> 00:30:11,919
10 years is until we

815
00:30:17,590 --> 00:30:15,200
can admit okay we don't understand it

816
00:30:19,110 --> 00:30:17,600
we don't really know how to process a

817
00:30:21,990 --> 00:30:19,120
lot of this stuff

818
00:30:23,669 --> 00:30:22,000
and i i just continue to continue to go

819
00:30:26,789 --> 00:30:23,679
there i mean the fundamental question is

820
00:30:29,029 --> 00:30:26,799
is consciousness fundamental

821
00:30:32,070 --> 00:30:29,039
because if consciousness is fundamental

822
00:30:33,990 --> 00:30:32,080
and all is emerging out of consciousness

823
00:30:35,269 --> 00:30:34,000
well then it's a different game and and

824
00:30:38,549 --> 00:30:35,279
that is the

825
00:30:40,470 --> 00:30:38,559
essentially when we go to the spiritual

826
00:30:41,830 --> 00:30:40,480
that's what the the spiritual wisdom

827
00:30:44,070 --> 00:30:41,840
traditions

828
00:30:46,149 --> 00:30:44,080
especially the ones that i'm been most

829
00:30:48,710 --> 00:30:46,159
tuned into the yogic ones i mean that's

830
00:30:51,110 --> 00:30:48,720
what they've always said is that

831
00:30:52,789 --> 00:30:51,120
it's all an illusion it's all maya so

832
00:30:55,590 --> 00:30:52,799
it's all

833
00:30:58,470 --> 00:30:55,600
a play and there does seem to be a

834
00:31:00,549 --> 00:30:58,480
certain truth to that and but that would

835
00:31:02,789 --> 00:31:00,559
that would cause us to look at all of

836
00:31:05,029 --> 00:31:02,799
this stuff differently all of this

837
00:31:05,830 --> 00:31:05,039
completely differently you know

838
00:31:08,549 --> 00:31:05,840
and

839
00:31:10,789 --> 00:31:08,559
i think we don't really want to go there

840
00:31:13,029 --> 00:31:10,799
right away at least we want to sit here

841
00:31:15,509 --> 00:31:13,039
and try and figure it out but i always

842
00:31:18,789 --> 00:31:15,519
want to kind of bracket the discussion

843
00:31:20,549 --> 00:31:18,799
of figuring it out with this idea that

844
00:31:22,389 --> 00:31:20,559
at some fundamental level we don't

845
00:31:24,230 --> 00:31:22,399
really understand

846
00:31:25,750 --> 00:31:24,240
we don't understand what past life

847
00:31:26,549 --> 00:31:25,760
memories

848
00:31:28,070 --> 00:31:26,559
are

849
00:31:30,710 --> 00:31:28,080
and i think

850
00:31:34,070 --> 00:31:30,720
like if i just throw my two cents in one

851
00:31:36,870 --> 00:31:34,080
of the misunderstandings that i think

852
00:31:39,909 --> 00:31:36,880
a lot of people leap to

853
00:31:42,149 --> 00:31:39,919
is if you if you listen to jim tucker

854
00:31:44,070 --> 00:31:42,159
from the university of virginia

855
00:31:45,990 --> 00:31:44,080
and you watch the cases that he's

856
00:31:47,990 --> 00:31:46,000
reviewed or you read about the cases and

857
00:31:50,149 --> 00:31:48,000
you read the peer-reviewed

858
00:31:52,310 --> 00:31:50,159
journals and you look at the science

859
00:31:54,310 --> 00:31:52,320
behind it you know the correlation

860
00:31:57,350 --> 00:31:54,320
between

861
00:31:59,430 --> 00:31:57,360
violent death and birth marks i mean

862
00:32:01,990 --> 00:31:59,440
gosh you can't get i mean that's

863
00:32:04,230 --> 00:32:02,000
uh it's pretty hard to

864
00:32:07,350 --> 00:32:04,240
hard to walk away from and if you just

865
00:32:09,669 --> 00:32:07,360
look at the number of cases they get

866
00:32:11,029 --> 00:32:09,679
that are vile that that have a

867
00:32:13,430 --> 00:32:11,039
reincarnation

868
00:32:15,990 --> 00:32:13,440
memory associated with it and have a

869
00:32:18,230 --> 00:32:16,000
violent death associated with it

870
00:32:20,710 --> 00:32:18,240
compared to the general population well

871
00:32:23,990 --> 00:32:20,720
that jumps out too as a statistical

872
00:32:26,789 --> 00:32:24,000
anomaly and then of course

873
00:32:29,430 --> 00:32:26,799
that's a folk tradition in india as well

874
00:32:31,590 --> 00:32:29,440
i learned meditation in india and just

875
00:32:32,950 --> 00:32:31,600
spent time in the countryside and

876
00:32:34,549 --> 00:32:32,960
talked with the people and this is a

877
00:32:37,029 --> 00:32:34,559
folk belief

878
00:32:39,590 --> 00:32:37,039
of exactly what you say so

879
00:32:41,430 --> 00:32:39,600
the science and the folk tradition is

880
00:32:43,110 --> 00:32:41,440
showing the same thing again

881
00:32:44,789 --> 00:32:43,120
so it seems very unlikely that that

882
00:32:46,950 --> 00:32:44,799
would be coincident

883
00:32:48,310 --> 00:32:46,960
yeah that's great i'm glad i'm glad you

884
00:32:49,590 --> 00:32:48,320
threw that in there

885
00:32:51,110 --> 00:32:49,600
so

886
00:32:53,669 --> 00:32:51,120
back i just wanted to go back to your

887
00:32:55,430 --> 00:32:53,679
question originally about

888
00:32:58,310 --> 00:32:55,440
the psyop angle

889
00:32:59,590 --> 00:32:58,320
and if there is a style that the ufo

890
00:33:01,350 --> 00:32:59,600
phenomena

891
00:33:04,070 --> 00:33:01,360
is just being

892
00:33:06,389 --> 00:33:04,080
narrated as nuts and bolts right

893
00:33:08,310 --> 00:33:06,399
and i believe that there is this just if

894
00:33:10,230 --> 00:33:08,320
you look at the pattern

895
00:33:13,029 --> 00:33:10,240
they just want the simple narrative that

896
00:33:15,830 --> 00:33:13,039
is just reductive materialistic

897
00:33:17,509 --> 00:33:15,840
that it's a threat maybe they can create

898
00:33:19,350 --> 00:33:17,519
the problem reaction solution they can

899
00:33:22,830 --> 00:33:19,360
create this one world government through

900
00:33:25,830 --> 00:33:22,840
this a global threat therefore a global

901
00:33:27,430 --> 00:33:25,840
solution being a con on a conspiratorial

902
00:33:29,590 --> 00:33:27,440
angle but you see even this with with

903
00:33:31,430 --> 00:33:29,600
valet for instance

904
00:33:33,750 --> 00:33:31,440
hold on before we before we jump into

905
00:33:35,430 --> 00:33:33,760
valet which is a whole other thing i

906
00:33:36,710 --> 00:33:35,440
want to comment on what you just said

907
00:33:39,590 --> 00:33:36,720
because

908
00:33:41,990 --> 00:33:39,600
when you were telling me about

909
00:33:44,149 --> 00:33:42,000
your story

910
00:33:45,669 --> 00:33:44,159
the one thing that flashed to me

911
00:33:47,509 --> 00:33:45,679
which is is

912
00:33:49,509 --> 00:33:47,519
another crazy angle and when you first

913
00:33:51,509 --> 00:33:49,519
started talking you said you know we're

914
00:33:54,070 --> 00:33:51,519
gonna have to be willing to go to that

915
00:33:55,990 --> 00:33:54,080
next level i always call it level three

916
00:33:59,029 --> 00:33:56,000
inside baseball where we may lose some

917
00:34:00,870 --> 00:33:59,039
people but that's okay you know we just

918
00:34:03,590 --> 00:34:00,880
oh no no it's no problem

919
00:34:06,470 --> 00:34:03,600
we just have to go where it takes us

920
00:34:09,109 --> 00:34:06,480
but nelson what i thought about is that

921
00:34:12,069 --> 00:34:09,119
when when you were talking about seeing

922
00:34:14,389 --> 00:34:12,079
the uh ufo and thinking that it's nuts

923
00:34:16,550 --> 00:34:14,399
and bolts the first thought i would

924
00:34:18,389 --> 00:34:16,560
oh my god this sounds like so many of

925
00:34:21,750 --> 00:34:18,399
the screen memory

926
00:34:23,030 --> 00:34:21,760
things that you hear from ufo from e.t

927
00:34:26,310 --> 00:34:23,040
abductees

928
00:34:27,750 --> 00:34:26,320
right you'll you'll hear about this

929
00:34:29,589 --> 00:34:27,760
over and over again you know i just

930
00:34:31,430 --> 00:34:29,599
interviewed a guy named ralph blumenthal

931
00:34:32,629 --> 00:34:31,440
who's a new york times reporter and

932
00:34:35,270 --> 00:34:32,639
maybe we'll come back to him but he

933
00:34:37,109 --> 00:34:35,280
wrote a terrific biography on john mack

934
00:34:39,589 --> 00:34:37,119
and john mack was a of course the

935
00:34:41,510 --> 00:34:39,599
harvard professor who got interested in

936
00:34:44,069 --> 00:34:41,520
people who had these abduction

937
00:34:45,589 --> 00:34:44,079
experiences and he said wow i'm a

938
00:34:47,909 --> 00:34:45,599
i'm one of the world's leading

939
00:34:50,230 --> 00:34:47,919
psychiatrists i know when people are

940
00:34:52,230 --> 00:34:50,240
making stuff up these people are not

941
00:34:54,869 --> 00:34:52,240
making this stuff up

942
00:34:55,990 --> 00:34:54,879
part of that experience is this screen

943
00:35:00,310 --> 00:34:56,000
memory

944
00:35:03,510 --> 00:35:00,320
you are okay you have in its often very

945
00:35:06,230 --> 00:35:03,520
simple kind of

946
00:35:08,870 --> 00:35:06,240
ideas that that are almost like

947
00:35:09,910 --> 00:35:08,880
you know nursery school level rhymes

948
00:35:12,150 --> 00:35:09,920
kind of thing

949
00:35:14,310 --> 00:35:12,160
but what what it it

950
00:35:16,630 --> 00:35:14,320
i just had an instant connection with

951
00:35:18,390 --> 00:35:16,640
what you were talking about there's

952
00:35:22,390 --> 00:35:18,400
nothing to worry about

953
00:35:24,790 --> 00:35:22,400
this is just a nuts and bolts machine

954
00:35:26,710 --> 00:35:24,800
you know it's like it's such an

955
00:35:29,589 --> 00:35:26,720
oversimplified

956
00:35:31,349 --> 00:35:29,599
explanation for what you're experiencing

957
00:35:33,430 --> 00:35:31,359
that it did pop to mind that it could

958
00:35:35,910 --> 00:35:33,440
potentially be a screen memory and that

959
00:35:37,990 --> 00:35:35,920
doesn't preclude it from being all those

960
00:35:40,390 --> 00:35:38,000
other things that you're saying too it

961
00:35:42,790 --> 00:35:40,400
would just suggest that there maybe is

962
00:35:44,790 --> 00:35:42,800
some cooperation between

963
00:35:46,870 --> 00:35:44,800
whoever is implanting some of those

964
00:35:50,310 --> 00:35:46,880
screen memories and your idea which i

965
00:35:52,790 --> 00:35:50,320
think is is my conclusion too is that of

966
00:35:55,190 --> 00:35:52,800
course you want people to think that it

967
00:35:57,990 --> 00:35:55,200
is a nuts and bolts of course you want

968
00:36:01,670 --> 00:35:58,000
people to think in down a materialistic

969
00:36:03,910 --> 00:36:01,680
science standpoint because you hit the

970
00:36:06,870 --> 00:36:03,920
nail on the head i think then it becomes

971
00:36:10,069 --> 00:36:06,880
a military threat then it becomes the

972
00:36:14,230 --> 00:36:10,079
impetus for us to further control and

973
00:36:16,310 --> 00:36:14,240
use our standard playbook of military

974
00:36:18,710 --> 00:36:16,320
industrial complex we're going to

975
00:36:20,310 --> 00:36:18,720
protect you kind of thing it all fits

976
00:36:22,390 --> 00:36:20,320
together

977
00:36:23,750 --> 00:36:22,400
before we jump on i have like five other

978
00:36:25,270 --> 00:36:23,760
topics that you've already kind of

979
00:36:27,510 --> 00:36:25,280
brought up that i want to

980
00:36:29,430 --> 00:36:27,520
get back to including the past lives

981
00:36:31,910 --> 00:36:29,440
memory thing

982
00:36:34,230 --> 00:36:31,920
but did i did i kind of get that right

983
00:36:35,990 --> 00:36:34,240
and i kind of took it one step further

984
00:36:38,150 --> 00:36:36,000
with perhaps

985
00:36:39,670 --> 00:36:38,160
et is

986
00:36:42,710 --> 00:36:39,680
part of that

987
00:36:44,790 --> 00:36:42,720
planting that screen memory of

988
00:36:46,550 --> 00:36:44,800
don't worry it's just it's just an

989
00:36:49,829 --> 00:36:46,560
object it's just nuts and bolts it's

990
00:36:51,910 --> 00:36:49,839
just a machine in the sky

991
00:36:52,829 --> 00:36:51,920
so how would you define screen memory by

992
00:36:55,589 --> 00:36:52,839
the

993
00:36:58,950 --> 00:36:55,599
way well screen memory isn't so much my

994
00:37:00,390 --> 00:36:58,960
term it's just a common term among

995
00:37:03,829 --> 00:37:00,400
abductees

996
00:37:06,390 --> 00:37:03,839
that they feel like and it's also a term

997
00:37:08,390 --> 00:37:06,400
that is used for people who have

998
00:37:10,870 --> 00:37:08,400
trauma disassociative identity

999
00:37:13,349 --> 00:37:10,880
kind of thing of where it's like in

1000
00:37:14,950 --> 00:37:13,359
hypnosis where there's a block you know

1001
00:37:16,870 --> 00:37:14,960
as soon as you start thinking about

1002
00:37:18,710 --> 00:37:16,880
something you're just blocked from going

1003
00:37:21,030 --> 00:37:18,720
any further

1004
00:37:23,349 --> 00:37:21,040
so the screen meant the screen memory

1005
00:37:24,710 --> 00:37:23,359
among the abduction community and i

1006
00:37:26,630 --> 00:37:24,720
don't want to overstate it because i'm

1007
00:37:29,349 --> 00:37:26,640
certainly not an expert

1008
00:37:33,109 --> 00:37:29,359
is implanted memory that when they

1009
00:37:35,589 --> 00:37:33,119
examine it further seems inconsistent

1010
00:37:37,510 --> 00:37:35,599
with what they would normally

1011
00:37:39,829 --> 00:37:37,520
how they would normally process the

1012
00:37:40,630 --> 00:37:39,839
situation you know what i mean so it's

1013
00:37:43,670 --> 00:37:40,640
just

1014
00:37:46,790 --> 00:37:43,680
stands out as kind of an unusual

1015
00:37:47,589 --> 00:37:46,800
implanted memory that doesn't exactly

1016
00:37:49,510 --> 00:37:47,599
fit

1017
00:37:51,510 --> 00:37:49,520
the scenario you know

1018
00:37:53,510 --> 00:37:51,520
why are my clothes why am i wearing

1019
00:37:55,109 --> 00:37:53,520
someone else's clothes you know it's

1020
00:37:57,030 --> 00:37:55,119
like well there's an explanation for

1021
00:37:58,950 --> 00:37:57,040
there's an explanation for everything

1022
00:38:01,589 --> 00:37:58,960
that pops into mind

1023
00:38:03,589 --> 00:38:01,599
that rationally doesn't make any sense

1024
00:38:06,230 --> 00:38:03,599
we always come back to the existential

1025
00:38:08,390 --> 00:38:06,240
question then with ufos

1026
00:38:10,230 --> 00:38:08,400
of consciousness the nature of

1027
00:38:12,230 --> 00:38:10,240
consciousness and

1028
00:38:13,829 --> 00:38:12,240
it reminds me so much of ndes as well

1029
00:38:15,990 --> 00:38:13,839
we'll get to this in a second

1030
00:38:17,430 --> 00:38:16,000
i think later on that

1031
00:38:20,630 --> 00:38:17,440
there's this

1032
00:38:24,150 --> 00:38:20,640
seemingly absurd or irrational

1033
00:38:26,470 --> 00:38:24,160
bizarreness even of of this phenomena

1034
00:38:28,630 --> 00:38:26,480
that is difficult to really

1035
00:38:30,470 --> 00:38:28,640
just make sense of

1036
00:38:32,710 --> 00:38:30,480
and this is one of the reasons why i

1037
00:38:36,069 --> 00:38:32,720
started to question what

1038
00:38:37,030 --> 00:38:36,079
these ndes actually could be

1039
00:38:38,710 --> 00:38:37,040
and

1040
00:38:40,710 --> 00:38:38,720
i do you want me to get into that now

1041
00:38:42,069 --> 00:38:40,720
actually what maybe maybe let's pause

1042
00:38:43,510 --> 00:38:42,079
let's pause on that for a second because

1043
00:38:46,550 --> 00:38:43,520
i kind of wanted to finish

1044
00:38:48,870 --> 00:38:46,560
a point that i was i maybe i was not

1045
00:38:51,910 --> 00:38:48,880
getting there fast enough but

1046
00:38:54,550 --> 00:38:51,920
with the past life memories

1047
00:38:55,829 --> 00:38:54,560
the one problem i see with that is like

1048
00:38:58,630 --> 00:38:55,839
like i was saying you know you can go

1049
00:39:00,150 --> 00:38:58,640
down the jim tucker path and the science

1050
00:39:02,069 --> 00:39:00,160
that the university of virginia has

1051
00:39:04,630 --> 00:39:02,079
compiled on that and you walk away and

1052
00:39:06,550 --> 00:39:04,640
you go wow and and the one thing that

1053
00:39:08,870 --> 00:39:06,560
strikes you is the big lie you know wow

1054
00:39:11,589 --> 00:39:08,880
how can science ignore this this is

1055
00:39:13,430 --> 00:39:11,599
overwhelming data that's replicated over

1056
00:39:15,510 --> 00:39:13,440
and over again and jim tucker is doing

1057
00:39:17,990 --> 00:39:15,520
the right thing he just says i'm just

1058
00:39:19,990 --> 00:39:18,000
compiling more and more and more data

1059
00:39:21,589 --> 00:39:20,000
more case work doing it as carefully as

1060
00:39:23,670 --> 00:39:21,599
i can and you can appreciate this from

1061
00:39:25,190 --> 00:39:23,680
your academic background is i'm just

1062
00:39:28,150 --> 00:39:25,200
going to pile it up and i'm going to

1063
00:39:30,470 --> 00:39:28,160
stack the corded wood with uh cases from

1064
00:39:32,310 --> 00:39:30,480
the north america as well because

1065
00:39:34,230 --> 00:39:32,320
there's a certain amount of dismissing

1066
00:39:37,109 --> 00:39:34,240
this because they're from india or sri

1067
00:39:39,430 --> 00:39:37,119
lanka but the the problem with that is

1068
00:39:41,430 --> 00:39:39,440
that then i think a lot of people take

1069
00:39:43,270 --> 00:39:41,440
the next step and i am unwilling to take

1070
00:39:46,310 --> 00:39:43,280
that next step the next step is to

1071
00:39:48,710 --> 00:39:46,320
suggest that it is literally true

1072
00:39:51,430 --> 00:39:48,720
that you are literally literally

1073
00:39:54,230 --> 00:39:51,440
remembering a past life

1074
00:39:56,870 --> 00:39:54,240
and that you can understand that in the

1075
00:39:58,230 --> 00:39:56,880
context of your life and if you really

1076
00:39:59,829 --> 00:39:58,240
step back and look at that and that's

1077
00:40:01,829 --> 00:39:59,839
why i guess i would relate that back to

1078
00:40:04,630 --> 00:40:01,839
your story of the your past life or

1079
00:40:06,470 --> 00:40:04,640
memory or what you suspect is a past

1080
00:40:09,030 --> 00:40:06,480
life memory

1081
00:40:10,870 --> 00:40:09,040
of the ancient egypt

1082
00:40:11,829 --> 00:40:10,880
quotation marks as well that's why i did

1083
00:40:14,790 --> 00:40:11,839
put it in

1084
00:40:20,309 --> 00:40:17,270
i sense that you have that sensibility

1085
00:40:21,750 --> 00:40:20,319
which i think is great and i i i mean i

1086
00:40:24,150 --> 00:40:21,760
guess this is kind of even more of a

1087
00:40:26,390 --> 00:40:24,160
philosophical question but you're of

1088
00:40:28,309 --> 00:40:26,400
that mindset to to be the right guy to

1089
00:40:30,309 --> 00:40:28,319
talk about this is that

1090
00:40:32,470 --> 00:40:30,319
that is a recurring theme in this in

1091
00:40:36,309 --> 00:40:32,480
terms of how do we move forward how do

1092
00:40:39,109 --> 00:40:36,319
we use that that data that new data that

1093
00:40:40,390 --> 00:40:39,119
is trying to be uh suppressed and trying

1094
00:40:43,349 --> 00:40:40,400
to be

1095
00:40:45,510 --> 00:40:43,359
denied but then how do we not overstep

1096
00:40:46,950 --> 00:40:45,520
with it because and you understand the

1097
00:40:48,870 --> 00:40:46,960
implications what i'm you understand

1098
00:40:51,510 --> 00:40:48,880
where i'm going with that is that

1099
00:40:53,670 --> 00:40:51,520
past life memories do not only make

1100
00:40:56,390 --> 00:40:53,680
sense in linear time

1101
00:40:59,589 --> 00:40:56,400
and yet they're talking about escaping

1102
00:41:01,510 --> 00:40:59,599
time and space to have those memories so

1103
00:41:03,670 --> 00:41:01,520
there's an there's already an internal

1104
00:41:06,150 --> 00:41:03,680
contradiction that no one talks about

1105
00:41:08,550 --> 00:41:06,160
how can you have a past life memory what

1106
00:41:11,109 --> 00:41:08,560
does that mean why do you think your

1107
00:41:13,430 --> 00:41:11,119
life is primary are you living multiple

1108
00:41:15,270 --> 00:41:13,440
lives at the same time you know which

1109
00:41:17,190 --> 00:41:15,280
life is

1110
00:41:19,510 --> 00:41:17,200
primary is fundamental all these

1111
00:41:21,510 --> 00:41:19,520
questions kind of just get pushed aside

1112
00:41:23,990 --> 00:41:21,520
and say well well no can you take me

1113
00:41:25,910 --> 00:41:24,000
back to a time when i had this past life

1114
00:41:27,589 --> 00:41:25,920
memory without really thinking it

1115
00:41:29,750 --> 00:41:27,599
through and then i think is our

1116
00:41:31,190 --> 00:41:29,760
challenge in terms of pushing this

1117
00:41:33,030 --> 00:41:31,200
consciousness

1118
00:41:35,190 --> 00:41:33,040
frontier is to just kind of point out

1119
00:41:38,550 --> 00:41:35,200
these obvious uh problems do you have

1120
00:41:40,230 --> 00:41:38,560
any do you have any thoughts on that

1121
00:41:41,750 --> 00:41:40,240
my thoughts on this are that

1122
00:41:43,190 --> 00:41:41,760
there are a number of angles that we've

1123
00:41:45,589 --> 00:41:43,200
been taking right the actual

1124
00:41:47,190 --> 00:41:45,599
investigators such as the university of

1125
00:41:48,470 --> 00:41:47,200
virginia professor with the with the

1126
00:41:50,710 --> 00:41:48,480
reincarnation

1127
00:41:52,550 --> 00:41:50,720
stories that he's been compiling and dr

1128
00:41:54,470 --> 00:41:52,560
long for instance and others pin

1129
00:41:55,510 --> 00:41:54,480
feminine with the near-death experiences

1130
00:41:57,349 --> 00:41:55,520
and they're really

1131
00:41:58,710 --> 00:41:57,359
the investigators who are compiling the

1132
00:42:00,230 --> 00:41:58,720
data

1133
00:42:02,790 --> 00:42:00,240
and they're specialists in their field

1134
00:42:04,470 --> 00:42:02,800
and highly qualified in that field but

1135
00:42:06,550 --> 00:42:04,480
then there is the

1136
00:42:08,950 --> 00:42:06,560
the analysis of the data and looking at

1137
00:42:09,750 --> 00:42:08,960
different data sets as well for instance

1138
00:42:11,510 --> 00:42:09,760
what

1139
00:42:14,150 --> 00:42:11,520
you've been doing on your show is

1140
00:42:15,910 --> 00:42:14,160
looking at all these different fields

1141
00:42:17,510 --> 00:42:15,920
which originally seemed to be

1142
00:42:19,829 --> 00:42:17,520
disconnected like when you started

1143
00:42:21,829 --> 00:42:19,839
talking about ufos i was really just i

1144
00:42:23,510 --> 00:42:21,839
found that

1145
00:42:24,550 --> 00:42:23,520
just quizzical really i didn't really

1146
00:42:27,270 --> 00:42:24,560
understand where you were going with

1147
00:42:28,710 --> 00:42:27,280
that and some of your audience also

1148
00:42:31,589 --> 00:42:28,720
were wondering what you were doing with

1149
00:42:33,910 --> 00:42:31,599
this but then we look at the

1150
00:42:34,950 --> 00:42:33,920
similarities just the overall patterns

1151
00:42:37,270 --> 00:42:34,960
between

1152
00:42:39,030 --> 00:42:37,280
these different fields

1153
00:42:41,990 --> 00:42:39,040
and we'll put that in quotation marks as

1154
00:42:43,750 --> 00:42:42,000
well so these different data sets

1155
00:42:45,990 --> 00:42:43,760
and we've got near-death experiences for

1156
00:42:49,670 --> 00:42:46,000
instance we've got reincarnation

1157
00:42:51,750 --> 00:42:49,680
memories and we've got ufology

1158
00:42:53,510 --> 00:42:51,760
and i just and we've got mythology as

1159
00:42:55,589 --> 00:42:53,520
well and so if we've got all of these

1160
00:42:59,270 --> 00:42:55,599
different fields of study

1161
00:43:01,750 --> 00:42:59,280
and folklore as well so many of them if

1162
00:43:04,390 --> 00:43:01,760
we look at it as a very very

1163
00:43:06,710 --> 00:43:04,400
broad pattern we're seeing very very

1164
00:43:08,230 --> 00:43:06,720
similar phenomena for instance

1165
00:43:10,710 --> 00:43:08,240
this

1166
00:43:11,829 --> 00:43:10,720
sensation of timelessness that

1167
00:43:13,910 --> 00:43:11,839
these

1168
00:43:15,670 --> 00:43:13,920
experiences have that time

1169
00:43:18,790 --> 00:43:15,680
becomes meaningless that

1170
00:43:20,230 --> 00:43:18,800
that space all also becomes meaningless

1171
00:43:22,870 --> 00:43:20,240
just with a thought

1172
00:43:24,710 --> 00:43:22,880
this ufo seems to just what the

1173
00:43:26,630 --> 00:43:24,720
inductee's recalling is that they're

1174
00:43:29,670 --> 00:43:26,640
then there at that place and that

1175
00:43:32,150 --> 00:43:29,680
there's this dislocality with this whole

1176
00:43:33,990 --> 00:43:32,160
pattern and this is what i think

1177
00:43:34,870 --> 00:43:34,000
is necessary for the few people in the

1178
00:43:36,870 --> 00:43:34,880
world

1179
00:43:38,710 --> 00:43:36,880
who have enough knowledge with these

1180
00:43:42,230 --> 00:43:38,720
different data sets who have

1181
00:43:43,990 --> 00:43:42,240
been trained as well to analyze data

1182
00:43:46,870 --> 00:43:44,000
that we can just see these overall

1183
00:43:48,870 --> 00:43:46,880
patterns and not be

1184
00:43:51,109 --> 00:43:48,880
distracted by the

1185
00:43:52,950 --> 00:43:51,119
smaller details

1186
00:43:54,470 --> 00:43:52,960
and we can just see the overall pattern

1187
00:43:56,390 --> 00:43:54,480
for instance of

1188
00:43:57,109 --> 00:43:56,400
what you were describing of timelessness

1189
00:43:59,349 --> 00:43:57,119
and

1190
00:44:01,910 --> 00:43:59,359
spacelessness within all of these data

1191
00:44:03,270 --> 00:44:01,920
sets but it's tough isn't it and i'd go

1192
00:44:04,630 --> 00:44:03,280
back to your background i thought it was

1193
00:44:07,190 --> 00:44:04,640
so interesting you said you know you

1194
00:44:09,910 --> 00:44:07,200
were studying these greek vases right

1195
00:44:11,990 --> 00:44:09,920
like and you were probably one of the

1196
00:44:13,910 --> 00:44:12,000
top experts in the world that that i

1197
00:44:15,589 --> 00:44:13,920
imagine just from what you're telling me

1198
00:44:18,550 --> 00:44:15,599
not that you're the top but one of the

1199
00:44:19,750 --> 00:44:18,560
top and so there's someone out there

1200
00:44:21,190 --> 00:44:19,760
someone out there

1201
00:44:23,430 --> 00:44:21,200
what's that

1202
00:44:25,670 --> 00:44:23,440
compared to the general population

1203
00:44:28,870 --> 00:44:25,680
so there's someone out there

1204
00:44:30,710 --> 00:44:28,880
on the site doing the archaeological dig

1205
00:44:33,349 --> 00:44:30,720
sifting through that stuff that's

1206
00:44:35,430 --> 00:44:33,359
bringing back to you the little pieces

1207
00:44:37,270 --> 00:44:35,440
and then you're compiling those little

1208
00:44:40,630 --> 00:44:37,280
pieces and then there's someone else

1209
00:44:43,190 --> 00:44:40,640
who's analyzing it as you said well

1210
00:44:45,430 --> 00:44:43,200
great nelson that's great and you've put

1211
00:44:47,270 --> 00:44:45,440
it together and you've put it in and

1212
00:44:48,630 --> 00:44:47,280
just to be clear i've always been more

1213
00:44:51,750 --> 00:44:48,640
of an

1214
00:44:53,430 --> 00:44:51,760
analyst not an investigator so i

1215
00:44:55,910 --> 00:44:53,440
specialize in the

1216
00:44:59,430 --> 00:44:55,920
the analysis not the actual

1217
00:45:00,710 --> 00:44:59,440
excavation it's not archaeology so

1218
00:45:02,309 --> 00:45:00,720
i'm looking at this more of a

1219
00:45:03,750 --> 00:45:02,319
meta-analysis of

1220
00:45:05,270 --> 00:45:03,760
all these different religions these

1221
00:45:07,750 --> 00:45:05,280
ancient religions and the ancient

1222
00:45:09,430 --> 00:45:07,760
cultures and how they thought and really

1223
00:45:11,510 --> 00:45:09,440
immersing myself from that and seeing

1224
00:45:13,750 --> 00:45:11,520
the overall patterns of this and to

1225
00:45:16,390 --> 00:45:13,760
figure out how they thought

1226
00:45:18,790 --> 00:45:16,400
how their material culture was

1227
00:45:21,190 --> 00:45:18,800
awesome totally awesome and i kind of

1228
00:45:22,710 --> 00:45:21,200
assumed so and i just was wondering if

1229
00:45:24,550 --> 00:45:22,720
you wanted to take

1230
00:45:27,030 --> 00:45:24,560
what you just said and take that even

1231
00:45:28,630 --> 00:45:27,040
further right because

1232
00:45:30,309 --> 00:45:28,640
as you described at the very beginning

1233
00:45:32,790 --> 00:45:30,319
of this show then

1234
00:45:34,790 --> 00:45:32,800
your mind when you learned about some

1235
00:45:37,030 --> 00:45:34,800
folklore and mythology that you weren't

1236
00:45:39,750 --> 00:45:37,040
familiar with you immediately expanded

1237
00:45:41,990 --> 00:45:39,760
your paradigm which was already kind of

1238
00:45:44,630 --> 00:45:42,000
there you know and i think that's what's

1239
00:45:46,630 --> 00:45:44,640
constantly constantly going on and as

1240
00:45:47,430 --> 00:45:46,640
you point out what it's going to take is

1241
00:45:49,750 --> 00:45:47,440
then

1242
00:45:52,470 --> 00:45:49,760
merging that paradigm with about four

1243
00:45:53,750 --> 00:45:52,480
other paradigms to nudge even closer to

1244
00:45:55,589 --> 00:45:53,760
it and when you look at it from that

1245
00:45:58,309 --> 00:45:55,599
perspective

1246
00:46:00,069 --> 00:45:58,319
i don't know it's a big job

1247
00:46:01,510 --> 00:46:00,079
yeah and we've got to be careful with

1248
00:46:03,430 --> 00:46:01,520
all of this that when we're seeing the

1249
00:46:05,990 --> 00:46:03,440
patterns which are actually very

1250
00:46:08,390 --> 00:46:06,000
repetitive and they're very

1251
00:46:10,150 --> 00:46:08,400
significant i think but we still have to

1252
00:46:11,190 --> 00:46:10,160
be skeptical that just because there is

1253
00:46:22,630 --> 00:46:11,200
a

1254
00:46:24,550 --> 00:46:22,640
single one

1255
00:46:26,470 --> 00:46:24,560
but i still think it's significant that

1256
00:46:29,589 --> 00:46:26,480
we still see this pattern for instance

1257
00:46:32,710 --> 00:46:29,599
of timelessness and non-locality within

1258
00:46:35,030 --> 00:46:32,720
all of this within mythology folklore

1259
00:46:37,589 --> 00:46:35,040
within ufology within near-death

1260
00:46:38,550 --> 00:46:37,599
experience science and within studies as

1261
00:46:40,069 --> 00:46:38,560
well

1262
00:46:41,510 --> 00:46:40,079
so great and i want to jump right back

1263
00:46:43,910 --> 00:46:41,520
into the mythology thing because it's

1264
00:46:45,750 --> 00:46:43,920
really kind of a hotbud issue for me but

1265
00:46:48,390 --> 00:46:45,760
i can't resist before we go there do you

1266
00:46:49,990 --> 00:46:48,400
have any examples from your personal

1267
00:46:51,670 --> 00:46:50,000
experience

1268
00:46:52,870 --> 00:46:51,680
as a researcher

1269
00:46:56,230 --> 00:46:52,880
where this

1270
00:46:58,710 --> 00:46:56,240
correlation versus causation thing did

1271
00:47:00,309 --> 00:46:58,720
crop up i always think of the cave

1272
00:47:02,069 --> 00:47:00,319
paintings and

1273
00:47:04,390 --> 00:47:02,079
the initial thing is oh that's

1274
00:47:05,190 --> 00:47:04,400
pornography you know that it's like they

1275
00:47:07,589 --> 00:47:05,200
they

1276
00:47:08,550 --> 00:47:07,599
go well no it's not at all you know it's

1277
00:47:13,030 --> 00:47:08,560
like

1278
00:47:14,230 --> 00:47:13,040
that you did where there was kind of

1279
00:47:16,230 --> 00:47:14,240
this

1280
00:47:18,470 --> 00:47:16,240
if if not you someone else who had to do

1281
00:47:21,829 --> 00:47:18,480
a major kind of oops

1282
00:47:24,390 --> 00:47:21,839
just basically what i would say is that

1283
00:47:27,589 --> 00:47:24,400
most of the people in academia now who

1284
00:47:29,670 --> 00:47:27,599
are being paid to work they are

1285
00:47:30,790 --> 00:47:29,680
extremely condescending of the ancient

1286
00:47:33,190 --> 00:47:30,800
cultures

1287
00:47:35,750 --> 00:47:33,200
and they are actually rewarded for

1288
00:47:37,430 --> 00:47:35,760
explicitly describing these religions as

1289
00:47:39,109 --> 00:47:37,440
superstition

1290
00:47:41,349 --> 00:47:39,119
explicitly

1291
00:47:42,710 --> 00:47:41,359
and this is such a huge

1292
00:47:44,150 --> 00:47:42,720
prejudice

1293
00:47:47,990 --> 00:47:44,160
that you're just assuming that it's

1294
00:47:50,309 --> 00:47:48,000
nonsensical just fantastical ridiculous

1295
00:47:53,190 --> 00:47:50,319
ideas that these people had

1296
00:47:54,950 --> 00:47:53,200
and i've seen this i've seen people

1297
00:47:56,950 --> 00:47:54,960
actually one person in particular that

1298
00:47:59,270 --> 00:47:56,960
i'm thinking of he was rewarded given a

1299
00:48:00,790 --> 00:47:59,280
prize for an essay competition a

1300
00:48:03,510 --> 00:48:00,800
national essay competition in new

1301
00:48:07,190 --> 00:48:03,520
zealand for writing that the ancient

1302
00:48:08,950 --> 00:48:07,200
religions were superstition

1303
00:48:10,630 --> 00:48:08,960
so interesting that's such a great point

1304
00:48:12,549 --> 00:48:10,640
because it fits perfectly this about

1305
00:48:14,230 --> 00:48:12,559
this other thing we're talking about

1306
00:48:15,910 --> 00:48:14,240
which has been kind of my gig for a long

1307
00:48:17,190 --> 00:48:15,920
time is

1308
00:48:18,829 --> 00:48:17,200
the main

1309
00:48:21,190 --> 00:48:18,839
message being

1310
00:48:23,430 --> 00:48:21,200
propagated is

1311
00:48:26,710 --> 00:48:23,440
you are meaningless and you do not

1312
00:48:28,630 --> 00:48:26,720
consciousness is an illusion and

1313
00:48:31,270 --> 00:48:28,640
it's so funny that people in the

1314
00:48:33,750 --> 00:48:31,280
humanities don't understand that but

1315
00:48:35,910 --> 00:48:33,760
that would be the natural

1316
00:48:38,150 --> 00:48:35,920
extension of that and it's also funny

1317
00:48:39,910 --> 00:48:38,160
like we're talking about that

1318
00:48:41,990 --> 00:48:39,920
like i look at the reincarnation

1319
00:48:43,750 --> 00:48:42,000
research at jim tucker and i guess

1320
00:48:44,870 --> 00:48:43,760
that's what i was kind of alluding to is

1321
00:48:46,549 --> 00:48:44,880
like

1322
00:48:49,990 --> 00:48:46,559
you know great

1323
00:48:53,109 --> 00:48:50,000
reincarnation how about just using that

1324
00:48:54,390 --> 00:48:53,119
just to completely break down

1325
00:48:57,030 --> 00:48:54,400
this

1326
00:48:58,870 --> 00:48:57,040
scientific materialism dogma and its

1327
00:49:01,030 --> 00:48:58,880
implications for consciousness because

1328
00:49:02,549 --> 00:49:01,040
this to me relates directly back to your

1329
00:49:05,790 --> 00:49:02,559
point

1330
00:49:08,309 --> 00:49:05,800
if there is this extended realm if a

1331
00:49:11,030 --> 00:49:08,319
reincarnation is in fact the evidence

1332
00:49:13,670 --> 00:49:11,040
for that is is strong then

1333
00:49:16,230 --> 00:49:13,680
that guy no longer looks credible not

1334
00:49:18,309 --> 00:49:16,240
that he ever did look credible but it i

1335
00:49:19,670 --> 00:49:18,319
guess what i'm saying is doesn't a lot

1336
00:49:21,910 --> 00:49:19,680
of the stuff we're talking about

1337
00:49:24,790 --> 00:49:21,920
including reincarnation science

1338
00:49:26,710 --> 00:49:24,800
including near-death experience science

1339
00:49:28,870 --> 00:49:26,720
do you think that that part of the

1340
00:49:31,190 --> 00:49:28,880
pushback on that is that it

1341
00:49:33,910 --> 00:49:31,200
fundamentally undermines that guy you're

1342
00:49:36,870 --> 00:49:33,920
talking about in a way that probably he

1343
00:49:38,630 --> 00:49:36,880
doesn't even realize and that

1344
00:49:41,270 --> 00:49:38,640
you know maybe that's really the game

1345
00:49:43,990 --> 00:49:41,280
that's afoot without a lot of people

1346
00:49:45,510 --> 00:49:44,000
knowing it with inside of academia it's

1347
00:49:47,430 --> 00:49:45,520
always difficult to

1348
00:49:49,910 --> 00:49:47,440
analyze what people are actually

1349
00:49:51,430 --> 00:49:49,920
motivated by what their inner life is so

1350
00:49:54,150 --> 00:49:51,440
i don't really want to comment too much

1351
00:49:56,950 --> 00:49:54,160
on that but i think a lot of it probably

1352
00:50:00,069 --> 00:49:56,960
is unconscious with many of these

1353
00:50:03,030 --> 00:50:00,079
individuals that they're so seat in this

1354
00:50:05,270 --> 00:50:03,040
world view of reductionist materialism

1355
00:50:07,190 --> 00:50:05,280
and this meaningless universe and that

1356
00:50:08,790 --> 00:50:07,200
it's just ridiculous superstition what

1357
00:50:10,150 --> 00:50:08,800
the ancients were doing

1358
00:50:12,549 --> 00:50:10,160
that they really

1359
00:50:13,750 --> 00:50:12,559
probably haven't even heard an

1360
00:50:15,829 --> 00:50:13,760
alternative

1361
00:50:18,230 --> 00:50:15,839
view of this that

1362
00:50:19,589 --> 00:50:18,240
like i i just come

1363
00:50:22,390 --> 00:50:19,599
at the whole

1364
00:50:23,589 --> 00:50:22,400
past with this open mind that

1365
00:50:25,670 --> 00:50:23,599
maybe

1366
00:50:27,990 --> 00:50:25,680
what the ancients were describing was

1367
00:50:31,109 --> 00:50:28,000
literally true or at least the kernel of

1368
00:50:33,430 --> 00:50:31,119
truth of what they were experiencing

1369
00:50:35,030 --> 00:50:33,440
but it's a radical idea but what if what

1370
00:50:35,990 --> 00:50:35,040
they're describing in their religions

1371
00:50:37,910 --> 00:50:36,000
and

1372
00:50:40,390 --> 00:50:37,920
in communication with these entities

1373
00:50:41,589 --> 00:50:40,400
which they were obsessively

1374
00:50:42,630 --> 00:50:41,599
trying to do

1375
00:50:44,549 --> 00:50:42,640
to get

1376
00:50:45,670 --> 00:50:44,559
real-world effects maybe they were

1377
00:50:48,069 --> 00:50:45,680
actually

1378
00:50:49,589 --> 00:50:48,079
connecting with some entities

1379
00:50:51,750 --> 00:50:49,599
or maybe these myths that they're

1380
00:50:54,630 --> 00:50:51,760
describing actually are some entities

1381
00:50:56,790 --> 00:50:54,640
which are visiting humans and that it's

1382
00:50:58,710 --> 00:50:56,800
not just nonsense that's the question

1383
00:50:59,750 --> 00:50:58,720
that i have i'm open to this whereas

1384
00:51:03,270 --> 00:50:59,760
most

1385
00:51:05,030 --> 00:51:03,280
academics are just completely closed

1386
00:51:06,790 --> 00:51:05,040
right and at this point it's almost like

1387
00:51:08,950 --> 00:51:06,800
we need to leave

1388
00:51:11,030 --> 00:51:08,960
academia behind in scientific

1389
00:51:14,230 --> 00:51:11,040
materialism behind because

1390
00:51:17,030 --> 00:51:14,240
if it is an operation as we both kind of

1391
00:51:19,190 --> 00:51:17,040
suspect if it is a psyop if it is a

1392
00:51:21,910 --> 00:51:19,200
conspiracy

1393
00:51:23,910 --> 00:51:21,920
then to kind of constantly refer back to

1394
00:51:26,470 --> 00:51:23,920
it is almost

1395
00:51:28,069 --> 00:51:26,480
serving its purpose to a certain extent

1396
00:51:30,630 --> 00:51:28,079
so if we

1397
00:51:32,470 --> 00:51:30,640
kind of lose that rocket

1398
00:51:34,549 --> 00:51:32,480
and or what are they that stage of the

1399
00:51:36,790 --> 00:51:34,559
rocket and leave that behind and kind of

1400
00:51:37,990 --> 00:51:36,800
zoom forward i want to get right to your

1401
00:51:39,910 --> 00:51:38,000
point because right when you said it

1402
00:51:41,829 --> 00:51:39,920
from the beginning this is kind of a

1403
00:51:44,150 --> 00:51:41,839
skeptical moment

1404
00:51:47,510 --> 00:51:44,160
i'm uncomfortable with where a lot of

1405
00:51:50,549 --> 00:51:47,520
people are taking the mythology folklore

1406
00:51:53,349 --> 00:51:50,559
jacques valet kind of stuff because jack

1407
00:51:55,190 --> 00:51:53,359
filet of course was the first one to

1408
00:51:57,349 --> 00:51:55,200
or i don't know if he was the first one

1409
00:51:59,670 --> 00:51:57,359
but is it i think he was i think he was

1410
00:52:01,109 --> 00:51:59,680
the first one to really draw this

1411
00:52:02,710 --> 00:52:01,119
you think

1412
00:52:05,349 --> 00:52:02,720
yeah i think he's definitely the most

1413
00:52:07,109 --> 00:52:05,359
influential yes good way of putting it

1414
00:52:08,710 --> 00:52:07,119
certainly the most influential and

1415
00:52:11,190 --> 00:52:08,720
definitely one of the first people to

1416
00:52:13,670 --> 00:52:11,200
draw this connection between

1417
00:52:14,870 --> 00:52:13,680
folklore fairies

1418
00:52:17,829 --> 00:52:14,880
other

1419
00:52:19,910 --> 00:52:17,839
mythical beings and their striking

1420
00:52:21,430 --> 00:52:19,920
similarity to what people are reporting

1421
00:52:24,069 --> 00:52:21,440
as the

1422
00:52:25,990 --> 00:52:24,079
ufo experience in the et experience the

1423
00:52:28,549 --> 00:52:26,000
abduction experience the contact

1424
00:52:31,510 --> 00:52:28,559
experience all those things

1425
00:52:32,790 --> 00:52:31,520
what i also point out is that you know

1426
00:52:34,630 --> 00:52:32,800
jacques villa

1427
00:52:36,150 --> 00:52:34,640
i interviewed him he also walks around

1428
00:52:39,270 --> 00:52:36,160
with a

1429
00:52:42,710 --> 00:52:39,280
little bit of uh slag in his pocket from

1430
00:52:44,790 --> 00:52:42,720
the ufo that he the ship that he has

1431
00:52:46,870 --> 00:52:44,800
where it's a physical thing and he's put

1432
00:52:48,470 --> 00:52:46,880
it under the microscope and said hey we

1433
00:52:49,589 --> 00:52:48,480
don't know how to build this material we

1434
00:52:51,510 --> 00:52:49,599
don't know how to manufacture this

1435
00:52:53,030 --> 00:52:51,520
material we don't know how to fuse these

1436
00:52:56,309 --> 00:52:53,040
metals together

1437
00:52:59,430 --> 00:52:56,319
from a technology standpoint so he is

1438
00:53:01,109 --> 00:52:59,440
standing with one foot in one world and

1439
00:53:02,710 --> 00:53:01,119
one foot in the other world and that's

1440
00:53:04,470 --> 00:53:02,720
where i think we all have to stand on

1441
00:53:05,910 --> 00:53:04,480
this and it returns to my thing about

1442
00:53:08,150 --> 00:53:05,920
reincarnation

1443
00:53:10,870 --> 00:53:08,160
if we fundamentally don't understand

1444
00:53:14,069 --> 00:53:10,880
consciousness then we have to be really

1445
00:53:16,470 --> 00:53:14,079
careful about where we go with extended

1446
00:53:17,670 --> 00:53:16,480
consciousness and i'll just tie a couple

1447
00:53:19,990 --> 00:53:17,680
of threads

1448
00:53:21,829 --> 00:53:20,000
back in without really winding them too

1449
00:53:23,670 --> 00:53:21,839
tight because we can't

1450
00:53:26,309 --> 00:53:23,680
i think the genetic engineering

1451
00:53:27,750 --> 00:53:26,319
component of this is central and i'm

1452
00:53:29,589 --> 00:53:27,760
glad you brought it up from the

1453
00:53:31,829 --> 00:53:29,599
beginning

1454
00:53:32,630 --> 00:53:31,839
i think the work of bruce fenton have

1455
00:53:36,390 --> 00:53:32,640
you

1456
00:53:38,790 --> 00:53:36,400
i think his work

1457
00:53:42,150 --> 00:53:38,800
is absolutely uh critical to

1458
00:53:45,030 --> 00:53:42,160
understanding this and for also also for

1459
00:53:47,510 --> 00:53:45,040
reestablishing a potential timeline his

1460
00:53:49,990 --> 00:53:47,520
timeline is 800 000 years

1461
00:53:52,470 --> 00:53:50,000
okay so what if we can show

1462
00:53:56,309 --> 00:53:52,480
some evidence of genetic manipulation

1463
00:53:58,069 --> 00:53:56,319
for the last 800 000 years for an

1464
00:53:59,910 --> 00:53:58,079
ongoing

1465
00:54:02,950 --> 00:53:59,920
process of

1466
00:54:05,430 --> 00:54:02,960
genetic manipulation it changes the

1467
00:54:08,309 --> 00:54:05,440
whole thing so dramatically and we're

1468
00:54:11,430 --> 00:54:08,319
less focused on our little world and our

1469
00:54:12,549 --> 00:54:11,440
little slice of time that that it is

1470
00:54:15,190 --> 00:54:12,559
being

1471
00:54:17,270 --> 00:54:15,200
manipulated and shaped and then and

1472
00:54:18,230 --> 00:54:17,280
injected into what do you think about

1473
00:54:20,390 --> 00:54:18,240
all that

1474
00:54:23,030 --> 00:54:20,400
well even the concept of time our

1475
00:54:25,990 --> 00:54:23,040
perception of it is so limited it seems

1476
00:54:29,270 --> 00:54:26,000
whereas these beings seem to be in this

1477
00:54:31,430 --> 00:54:29,280
far more expansive reality of time

1478
00:54:33,990 --> 00:54:31,440
and you see this in mythology as well of

1479
00:54:35,510 --> 00:54:34,000
the gods that they're in this

1480
00:54:37,349 --> 00:54:35,520
timeless realm

1481
00:54:39,589 --> 00:54:37,359
and for them

1482
00:54:41,990 --> 00:54:39,599
just the blink of an eye is for many

1483
00:54:43,990 --> 00:54:42,000
human lifetimes and that they can

1484
00:54:46,950 --> 00:54:44,000
punish humans for instance they can do

1485
00:54:49,589 --> 00:54:46,960
terrible things on mass to humans

1486
00:54:51,670 --> 00:54:49,599
causing global catastrophes

1487
00:54:54,950 --> 00:54:51,680
generations after they've been insulted

1488
00:54:56,950 --> 00:54:54,960
by an individual and this is explicitly

1489
00:54:57,990 --> 00:54:56,960
talked about in the greek myths as well

1490
00:54:59,270 --> 00:54:58,000
of

1491
00:55:00,710 --> 00:54:59,280
esseod

1492
00:55:02,470 --> 00:55:00,720
one of the

1493
00:55:05,190 --> 00:55:02,480
most fundamental sources of greek

1494
00:55:07,270 --> 00:55:05,200
mythology along with homer he explicitly

1495
00:55:08,950 --> 00:55:07,280
states this that that the gods

1496
00:55:10,309 --> 00:55:08,960
have a different timeline

1497
00:55:12,789 --> 00:55:10,319
than humans

1498
00:55:14,549 --> 00:55:12,799
right and and i you know we keep we keep

1499
00:55:16,549 --> 00:55:14,559
hitting on a lot of the a lot of the

1500
00:55:18,870 --> 00:55:16,559
same things

1501
00:55:20,470 --> 00:55:18,880
where else do we want to go

1502
00:55:23,190 --> 00:55:20,480
i'll tell you where i want to go

1503
00:55:27,829 --> 00:55:23,200
i i want to see if we can get some

1504
00:55:30,470 --> 00:55:27,839
degree of closure with the ufo et thing

1505
00:55:32,870 --> 00:55:30,480
by bringing it back to

1506
00:55:35,589 --> 00:55:32,880
what we're experiencing right now and

1507
00:55:36,710 --> 00:55:35,599
what we're seeing right now particularly

1508
00:55:38,150 --> 00:55:36,720
as it

1509
00:55:39,430 --> 00:55:38,160
relates to

1510
00:55:41,910 --> 00:55:39,440
the control

1511
00:55:44,230 --> 00:55:41,920
and the global control and the message

1512
00:55:47,589 --> 00:55:44,240
and how the message is being shaped it

1513
00:55:49,349 --> 00:55:47,599
is stunning to me that people

1514
00:55:50,230 --> 00:55:49,359
even entertained really intelligent

1515
00:55:53,190 --> 00:55:50,240
people

1516
00:55:54,870 --> 00:55:53,200
really entertain this idea of disclosure

1517
00:56:00,150 --> 00:55:54,880
as if

1518
00:56:03,190 --> 00:56:00,160
when the new york times released these

1519
00:56:05,910 --> 00:56:03,200
videos from 10 years ago as if that is

1520
00:56:08,309 --> 00:56:05,920
somehow disclosure i mean even in our

1521
00:56:09,990 --> 00:56:08,319
memory in our living memory we have to

1522
00:56:12,470 --> 00:56:10,000
scratch our heads and go

1523
00:56:15,430 --> 00:56:12,480
well wait a minute what about all those

1524
00:56:17,510 --> 00:56:15,440
other cases what about roswell what

1525
00:56:20,390 --> 00:56:17,520
about you know all these cases what

1526
00:56:22,549 --> 00:56:20,400
about the flappin dc all these i could

1527
00:56:24,870 --> 00:56:22,559
go on and on but you get the point so i

1528
00:56:28,470 --> 00:56:24,880
want to go there and i want to talk

1529
00:56:30,150 --> 00:56:28,480
about that and bring the ufo et thing

1530
00:56:32,390 --> 00:56:30,160
up to the present but i want to make

1531
00:56:34,710 --> 00:56:32,400
sure we leave some time to talk about

1532
00:56:36,230 --> 00:56:34,720
the romans because as i maybe mentioned

1533
00:56:38,230 --> 00:56:36,240
to you i don't know it was before after

1534
00:56:41,270 --> 00:56:38,240
we started recording

1535
00:56:42,230 --> 00:56:41,280
you have quite an amazing insight my

1536
00:56:44,470 --> 00:56:42,240
little

1537
00:56:46,309 --> 00:56:44,480
foray into that stuff that that kind of

1538
00:56:47,910 --> 00:56:46,319
blew my mind so

1539
00:56:49,990 --> 00:56:47,920
we'll start with

1540
00:56:52,470 --> 00:56:50,000
what's going on today with ufo

1541
00:56:55,190 --> 00:56:52,480
disclosure

1542
00:56:56,150 --> 00:56:55,200
so i basically agree with marty gaza

1543
00:56:57,829 --> 00:56:56,160
from the

1544
00:57:00,789 --> 00:56:57,839
brothers of the certain podcast that

1545
00:57:02,549 --> 00:57:00,799
this disclosure is so limited

1546
00:57:03,910 --> 00:57:02,559
and actually just from my perspective

1547
00:57:06,309 --> 00:57:03,920
just reading that document the

1548
00:57:09,430 --> 00:57:06,319
unclassified version was just so

1549
00:57:11,510 --> 00:57:09,440
insulting the language just as if

1550
00:57:13,270 --> 00:57:11,520
the audience the idiots just hardly

1551
00:57:15,910 --> 00:57:13,280
saying anything basically nothing

1552
00:57:18,390 --> 00:57:15,920
sandwich right

1553
00:57:20,069 --> 00:57:18,400
when you say that remind people remind

1554
00:57:21,109 --> 00:57:20,079
people what you're what you're referring

1555
00:57:23,670 --> 00:57:21,119
to there

1556
00:57:27,510 --> 00:57:23,680
the document that you're referring to

1557
00:57:28,789 --> 00:57:27,520
this was in june of this year 2021

1558
00:57:32,390 --> 00:57:28,799
of

1559
00:57:36,069 --> 00:57:32,400
release

1560
00:57:38,309 --> 00:57:36,079
the information that was held on ufo

1561
00:57:40,309 --> 00:57:38,319
if i understand that quickly and

1562
00:57:42,069 --> 00:57:40,319
right and what a lot of people point out

1563
00:57:44,069 --> 00:57:42,079
and rightfully should be but a lot of

1564
00:57:48,309 --> 00:57:44,079
people don't make the connection is

1565
00:57:51,430 --> 00:57:48,319
so this was introduced by donald trump

1566
00:57:54,390 --> 00:57:51,440
in a bill that was tied to you know is

1567
00:57:56,230 --> 00:57:54,400
buried in a bl bill that the government

1568
00:57:58,390 --> 00:57:56,240
should have to release all information

1569
00:58:00,470 --> 00:57:58,400
within 180 days

1570
00:58:03,589 --> 00:58:00,480
and the whole thing was absurd from the

1571
00:58:06,470 --> 00:58:03,599
beginning and it it kind of is

1572
00:58:09,349 --> 00:58:06,480
disappointing to me the extent to which

1573
00:58:11,430 --> 00:58:09,359
our our community this broader community

1574
00:58:13,990 --> 00:58:11,440
falls into the same game it's like we're

1575
00:58:15,510 --> 00:58:14,000
watching the the sports channel you know

1576
00:58:17,270 --> 00:58:15,520
either in europe and the america the

1577
00:58:19,270 --> 00:58:17,280
sports channel is a sports channel

1578
00:58:20,630 --> 00:58:19,280
everywhere in the world it's like hey

1579
00:58:22,470 --> 00:58:20,640
what are we going to talk about today

1580
00:58:23,990 --> 00:58:22,480
and let's talk about it and talk about

1581
00:58:25,030 --> 00:58:24,000
it and talk about the same thing over

1582
00:58:26,630 --> 00:58:25,040
and over again and there's no

1583
00:58:28,630 --> 00:58:26,640
information they don't even have to

1584
00:58:30,470 --> 00:58:28,640
program people to do that they just move

1585
00:58:32,390 --> 00:58:30,480
the cheese a little bit and people

1586
00:58:35,349 --> 00:58:32,400
follow that how could it be any more

1587
00:58:37,270 --> 00:58:35,359
absurd why would anyone in the world

1588
00:58:39,990 --> 00:58:37,280
think that they would release anything

1589
00:58:43,510 --> 00:58:40,000
after 180 days they haven't released

1590
00:58:45,589 --> 00:58:43,520
anything in 60 70 years or however long

1591
00:58:47,670 --> 00:58:45,599
they've known about it why would they

1592
00:58:50,150 --> 00:58:47,680
feel compelled to release anything in

1593
00:58:52,069 --> 00:58:50,160
180 days and again i go back to the

1594
00:58:54,870 --> 00:58:52,079
disclosure thing because i interviewed

1595
00:58:57,589 --> 00:58:54,880
both leslie kane and ralph blumenthal

1596
00:58:59,829 --> 00:58:57,599
who were the two had the byline

1597
00:59:03,349 --> 00:58:59,839
on the new york times

1598
00:59:05,270 --> 00:59:03,359
big disclosure thing in december of 2017

1599
00:59:07,670 --> 00:59:05,280
2018 i can't remember now dates are

1600
00:59:10,069 --> 00:59:07,680
flipping out of my head but

1601
00:59:12,470 --> 00:59:10,079
the idea that that

1602
00:59:14,470 --> 00:59:12,480
forget about everything else forget

1603
00:59:16,789 --> 00:59:14,480
about how we've threatened to kill

1604
00:59:19,030 --> 00:59:16,799
people forget about how we've said we

1605
00:59:22,230 --> 00:59:19,040
will take your family out in the desert

1606
00:59:24,069 --> 00:59:22,240
and and bury them alive if you ever

1607
00:59:27,349 --> 00:59:24,079
disclose any of the things that you've

1608
00:59:28,870 --> 00:59:27,359
seen forget all about that disclosure

1609
00:59:30,950 --> 00:59:28,880
will now be

1610
00:59:33,829 --> 00:59:30,960
this video that we just released and

1611
00:59:35,750 --> 00:59:33,839
we'll have a bunch of can talk about who

1612
00:59:37,030 --> 00:59:35,760
was the guy piloting the ship and what

1613
00:59:40,309 --> 00:59:37,040
do they know here

1614
00:59:43,430 --> 00:59:40,319
it is such an obvious obvious

1615
00:59:45,589 --> 00:59:43,440
kind of uh ploy trick not even it's not

1616
00:59:48,390 --> 00:59:45,599
even that sophisticated

1617
00:59:50,470 --> 00:59:48,400
because the timeline is so restricted

1618
00:59:51,750 --> 00:59:50,480
that it's just going a tiny bit back

1619
00:59:53,510 --> 00:59:51,760
into the past

1620
00:59:55,349 --> 00:59:53,520
and the number of cases that are

1621
00:59:57,910 --> 00:59:55,359
unexplained is also

1622
00:59:59,829 --> 00:59:57,920
so limited whereas even on 60 minutes

1623
01:00:01,829 --> 00:59:59,839
there were pilots saying

1624
01:00:04,069 --> 01:00:01,839
that they are over the carrier fleets

1625
01:00:07,270 --> 01:00:04,079
they're seeing the ufos almost on a

1626
01:00:10,390 --> 01:00:07,280
daily basis for years

1627
01:00:13,030 --> 01:00:10,400
what does this say about the extent of

1628
01:00:16,309 --> 01:00:13,040
the control of the message and the

1629
01:00:18,870 --> 01:00:16,319
extent to which the population is easily

1630
01:00:20,870 --> 01:00:18,880
manipulated by a controlled message to

1631
01:00:23,270 --> 01:00:20,880
me it's it's

1632
01:00:24,870 --> 01:00:23,280
it doesn't leave a lot a lot of hope i

1633
01:00:27,190 --> 01:00:24,880
mean this is stuff that

1634
01:00:29,190 --> 01:00:27,200
i think anyone should be able to kind of

1635
01:00:31,750 --> 01:00:29,200
figure out pretty

1636
01:00:32,789 --> 01:00:31,760
pretty easily and i'm surprised i mean

1637
01:00:34,230 --> 01:00:32,799
you go about i'm not even going to

1638
01:00:35,349 --> 01:00:34,240
mention names because they're people i

1639
01:00:37,589 --> 01:00:35,359
really like

1640
01:00:39,990 --> 01:00:37,599
but the people i've had on it

1641
01:00:42,390 --> 01:00:40,000
i can just tell you i almost ignore

1642
01:00:43,910 --> 01:00:42,400
this thing just with this government

1643
01:00:44,950 --> 01:00:43,920
disclosure business because it's just so

1644
01:00:47,190 --> 01:00:44,960
obvious

1645
01:00:48,309 --> 01:00:47,200
that they're just creating this tiny

1646
01:00:50,309 --> 01:00:48,319
frame

1647
01:00:52,309 --> 01:00:50,319
with which to understand the phenomenon

1648
01:00:54,789 --> 01:00:52,319
but nelson the question i'm asking is

1649
01:00:56,789 --> 01:00:54,799
why do so many people in our community

1650
01:00:58,950 --> 01:00:56,799
the leaders in our community

1651
01:01:00,950 --> 01:00:58,960
buy into this and it's not even that

1652
01:01:02,870 --> 01:01:00,960
they're buying into it they're just seem

1653
01:01:05,349 --> 01:01:02,880
to be compelled to talk about this

1654
01:01:08,150 --> 01:01:05,359
talking point of disclosure rather than

1655
01:01:10,870 --> 01:01:08,160
going this is obviously a psyop we don't

1656
01:01:13,750 --> 01:01:10,880
know who exactly is behind the psyop we

1657
01:01:17,270 --> 01:01:13,760
don't know the the entire method but

1658
01:01:18,470 --> 01:01:17,280
completely political psyop and you know

1659
01:01:19,589 --> 01:01:18,480
you can go look at the shows that i've

1660
01:01:21,910 --> 01:01:19,599
done where

1661
01:01:24,150 --> 01:01:21,920
the leading people are going and i i

1662
01:01:27,109 --> 01:01:24,160
don't think so you know lou elizondo

1663
01:01:29,270 --> 01:01:27,119
even though he's a lifetime spy

1664
01:01:31,829 --> 01:01:29,280
disinformation agent i think he's

1665
01:01:33,349 --> 01:01:31,839
telling the truth this time i'm like

1666
01:01:35,510 --> 01:01:33,359
what have we learned what have we

1667
01:01:37,750 --> 01:01:35,520
learned you know in all this stuff that

1668
01:01:40,230 --> 01:01:37,760
we've investigated absolutely and that's

1669
01:01:41,750 --> 01:01:40,240
why i just just tend to look at the

1670
01:01:44,549 --> 01:01:41,760
overall patterns

1671
01:01:45,510 --> 01:01:44,559
way way back into history and

1672
01:01:47,510 --> 01:01:45,520
um

1673
01:01:48,630 --> 01:01:47,520
just going beyond this frame not giving

1674
01:01:51,030 --> 01:01:48,640
even

1675
01:01:52,390 --> 01:01:51,040
this official disclosure much attention

1676
01:01:55,270 --> 01:01:52,400
really because it's so

1677
01:01:57,589 --> 01:01:55,280
irrelevant it's only really relevant

1678
01:01:58,630 --> 01:01:57,599
in terms of being a psyop but it's not

1679
01:02:01,190 --> 01:01:58,640
actually

1680
01:02:02,789 --> 01:02:01,200
that relevant as part of the data set

1681
01:02:05,109 --> 01:02:02,799
itself right

1682
01:02:06,870 --> 01:02:05,119
so this is what i wanted to

1683
01:02:08,710 --> 01:02:06,880
sort of draw back on is that even though

1684
01:02:10,390 --> 01:02:08,720
it's disappointing right the

1685
01:02:11,990 --> 01:02:10,400
the disclosure was going to be

1686
01:02:14,230 --> 01:02:12,000
disappointing anyway

1687
01:02:15,829 --> 01:02:14,240
for most people but it's disappointing

1688
01:02:18,549 --> 01:02:15,839
the reaction of

1689
01:02:20,470 --> 01:02:18,559
many investigators as well

1690
01:02:22,470 --> 01:02:20,480
but i think if we go beyond that and

1691
01:02:23,750 --> 01:02:22,480
just focus on

1692
01:02:27,349 --> 01:02:23,760
the

1693
01:02:28,870 --> 01:02:27,359
different fields that your show has

1694
01:02:30,870 --> 01:02:28,880
covered over the years

1695
01:02:32,870 --> 01:02:30,880
and i think this is

1696
01:02:35,190 --> 01:02:32,880
extremely significant

1697
01:02:36,470 --> 01:02:35,200
that we have so many similarities and

1698
01:02:38,470 --> 01:02:36,480
core

1699
01:02:40,150 --> 01:02:38,480
uh characteristics of

1700
01:02:41,349 --> 01:02:40,160
as we were saying in mythology and

1701
01:02:44,309 --> 01:02:41,359
folklore

1702
01:02:45,029 --> 01:02:44,319
and then even in even in mythology and

1703
01:02:49,190 --> 01:02:45,039
in

1704
01:02:50,950 --> 01:02:49,200
studies

1705
01:02:53,029 --> 01:02:50,960
and the chance that that would be a

1706
01:02:55,190 --> 01:02:53,039
coincidence

1707
01:02:56,870 --> 01:02:55,200
i find just extremely unlikely for

1708
01:02:58,150 --> 01:02:56,880
instance even in near-death experiences

1709
01:03:00,870 --> 01:02:58,160
if you go on the

1710
01:03:02,950 --> 01:03:00,880
database and look up aliens or et or

1711
01:03:04,470 --> 01:03:02,960
something you'll actually see even that

1712
01:03:05,670 --> 01:03:04,480
that these

1713
01:03:07,589 --> 01:03:05,680
entities

1714
01:03:08,549 --> 01:03:07,599
seem to be appearing more reportedly

1715
01:03:10,950 --> 01:03:08,559
anyway

1716
01:03:12,950 --> 01:03:10,960
in their death experiences

1717
01:03:14,069 --> 01:03:12,960
see the problem i have with that nelson

1718
01:03:15,589 --> 01:03:14,079
is

1719
01:03:18,710 --> 01:03:15,599
most people

1720
01:03:20,549 --> 01:03:18,720
including myself at times have problems

1721
01:03:23,270 --> 01:03:20,559
resolving the

1722
01:03:27,109 --> 01:03:23,280
data set of

1723
01:03:30,630 --> 01:03:27,119
the current disclosure the ufos the

1724
01:03:33,589 --> 01:03:30,640
obvious you know our best pilots our

1725
01:03:36,309 --> 01:03:33,599
best observers reporting them in the sky

1726
01:03:39,510 --> 01:03:36,319
the videos of them in the sky the

1727
01:03:41,910 --> 01:03:39,520
accounts of people who have a hard time

1728
01:03:45,190 --> 01:03:41,920
resolving that with

1729
01:03:47,109 --> 01:03:45,200
folklore mythology as we understand it

1730
01:03:49,190 --> 01:03:47,119
and i'd say you know like i have i have

1731
01:03:52,069 --> 01:03:49,200
a hard time talking to people if i don't

1732
01:03:54,390 --> 01:03:52,079
want to talk about covid and i i i don't

1733
01:03:56,630 --> 01:03:54,400
mind talking about covid i talked to the

1734
01:04:00,069 --> 01:03:56,640
other day he's a major broadcaster in

1735
01:04:01,589 --> 01:04:00,079
canada and you know i tr and he i want

1736
01:04:04,150 --> 01:04:01,599
to talk to him about the bigger

1737
01:04:06,789 --> 01:04:04,160
spiritual questions of evil is there

1738
01:04:09,190 --> 01:04:06,799
evil behind some of these people who we

1739
01:04:11,829 --> 01:04:09,200
see are running this program he could

1740
01:04:12,630 --> 01:04:11,839
not get there and i understand why he

1741
01:04:14,870 --> 01:04:12,640
has

1742
01:04:16,390 --> 01:04:14,880
his kids that he's sending to school

1743
01:04:19,349 --> 01:04:16,400
that are

1744
01:04:20,630 --> 01:04:19,359
encountering a mobile vaccination i

1745
01:04:23,109 --> 01:04:20,640
don't care what anyone thinks about

1746
01:04:24,549 --> 01:04:23,119
vaccination pro or khan

1747
01:04:27,109 --> 01:04:24,559
what he doesn't like is they have a

1748
01:04:29,750 --> 01:04:27,119
mobile vaccination station

1749
01:04:31,109 --> 01:04:29,760
and his kids are minors and they're said

1750
01:04:32,789 --> 01:04:31,119
hey it doesn't matter if you're a minor

1751
01:04:34,789 --> 01:04:32,799
it doesn't matter if your parents are

1752
01:04:36,390 --> 01:04:34,799
consenting you can come on in here and

1753
01:04:38,069 --> 01:04:36,400
you can decide yourself you know and

1754
01:04:40,470 --> 01:04:38,079
it's against the law and all the rest

1755
01:04:42,390 --> 01:04:40,480
yet he is like consumed with this

1756
01:04:45,029 --> 01:04:42,400
because he's a parent and he lives in

1757
01:04:46,950 --> 01:04:45,039
canada and it's just a trampling of laws

1758
01:04:49,510 --> 01:04:46,960
and rights and stuff like that

1759
01:04:51,349 --> 01:04:49,520
this is where people are at and i think

1760
01:04:55,109 --> 01:04:51,359
there's a corollary to where people are

1761
01:04:57,670 --> 01:04:55,119
at with ufos and the corollary is well

1762
01:04:59,190 --> 01:04:57,680
are they are they a threat what's going

1763
01:05:02,630 --> 01:04:59,200
on what is going to happen in my

1764
01:05:04,950 --> 01:05:02,640
lifetime is e.t going to take over in my

1765
01:05:08,069 --> 01:05:04,960
lifetime and i think when we hit people

1766
01:05:11,190 --> 01:05:08,079
with the folklore mythology data set

1767
01:05:12,789 --> 01:05:11,200
which is very real as you point out

1768
01:05:15,750 --> 01:05:12,799
it is somewhat

1769
01:05:17,750 --> 01:05:15,760
irresolvable you know you cannot resolve

1770
01:05:19,829 --> 01:05:17,760
i agree with that i just don't think it

1771
01:05:21,829 --> 01:05:19,839
is irresolvable

1772
01:05:23,750 --> 01:05:21,839
it's just the perception that it seems

1773
01:05:25,029 --> 01:05:23,760
so complicated that it wouldn't be

1774
01:05:27,109 --> 01:05:25,039
resolvable

1775
01:05:28,309 --> 01:05:27,119
but even for instance as joe atwell

1776
01:05:31,750 --> 01:05:28,319
should well

1777
01:05:34,309 --> 01:05:31,760
had this incredibly

1778
01:05:36,789 --> 01:05:34,319
paradoxical seeming data set of the new

1779
01:05:38,069 --> 01:05:36,799
testament and then just as one

1780
01:05:40,789 --> 01:05:38,079
researcher just

1781
01:05:42,069 --> 01:05:40,799
had this brilliant insight that josephus

1782
01:05:44,630 --> 01:05:42,079
was the

1783
01:05:46,870 --> 01:05:44,640
template for the new testament and

1784
01:05:48,950 --> 01:05:46,880
researchers before him but i studied the

1785
01:05:50,950 --> 01:05:48,960
new testament as well myself

1786
01:05:53,190 --> 01:05:50,960
and they this was the typical attitude

1787
01:05:55,349 --> 01:05:53,200
before atwood was that it's irresolvable

1788
01:05:57,029 --> 01:05:55,359
the new testament who wrote it for what

1789
01:05:59,029 --> 01:05:57,039
reasons why are there these

1790
01:06:02,150 --> 01:05:59,039
contradictions and

1791
01:06:04,390 --> 01:06:02,160
it's so ancient that we'll never know

1792
01:06:07,029 --> 01:06:04,400
but i just disagree with that i think

1793
01:06:09,589 --> 01:06:07,039
you can have insights and you can see

1794
01:06:11,829 --> 01:06:09,599
patterns like at will did for instance

1795
01:06:14,549 --> 01:06:11,839
absolutely classic just

1796
01:06:16,150 --> 01:06:14,559
in terms of analysis

1797
01:06:19,349 --> 01:06:16,160
that he could

1798
01:06:21,910 --> 01:06:19,359
find a pattern and he could

1799
01:06:24,069 --> 01:06:21,920
so firmly establish

1800
01:06:27,589 --> 01:06:24,079
causation as far as you possibly could i

1801
01:06:29,829 --> 01:06:27,599
think is a research of antiquity

1802
01:06:32,950 --> 01:06:29,839
and now even more and more of the

1803
01:06:34,309 --> 01:06:32,960
mainstream even in academia they're just

1804
01:06:35,990 --> 01:06:34,319
going with it they're not really giving

1805
01:06:37,670 --> 01:06:36,000
him credit but they're

1806
01:06:39,670 --> 01:06:37,680
they're agreeing with him

1807
01:06:41,990 --> 01:06:39,680
so i think we can come to resolve

1808
01:06:43,670 --> 01:06:42,000
analyses with these things i love it i

1809
01:06:46,069 --> 01:06:43,680
love it so let me push that a little bit

1810
01:06:47,430 --> 01:06:46,079
further let's try and connect a couple

1811
01:06:51,029 --> 01:06:47,440
of these

1812
01:06:51,829 --> 01:06:51,039
data sets i'll expand your your phrase

1813
01:06:54,630 --> 01:06:51,839
there

1814
01:06:56,710 --> 01:06:54,640
take the bruce fenton data set which i

1815
01:06:57,750 --> 01:06:56,720
think is very important in my mind

1816
01:07:01,109 --> 01:06:57,760
because

1817
01:07:03,910 --> 01:07:01,119
he has some really good science behind

1818
01:07:06,150 --> 01:07:03,920
that he has the astral tech tights and

1819
01:07:07,990 --> 01:07:06,160
the dating of those he has a bunch of

1820
01:07:10,069 --> 01:07:08,000
other stuff including

1821
01:07:13,270 --> 01:07:10,079
genetics genetics

1822
01:07:15,510 --> 01:07:13,280
very very powerful stuff so

1823
01:07:17,910 --> 01:07:15,520
from that falls out a couple other a

1824
01:07:20,950 --> 01:07:17,920
couple of things one calls

1825
01:07:23,349 --> 01:07:20,960
falls out is a clear pat a clear pattern

1826
01:07:24,950 --> 01:07:23,359
of genetic manipulation and the other is

1827
01:07:28,150 --> 01:07:24,960
a timeline that now

1828
01:07:29,990 --> 01:07:28,160
extends back to 800 000 years but the

1829
01:07:32,069 --> 01:07:30,000
other thing that fault that falls out of

1830
01:07:35,349 --> 01:07:32,079
that that a lot of people

1831
01:07:40,230 --> 01:07:35,359
don't immediately grab onto is

1832
01:07:41,589 --> 01:07:40,240
a very kind of a a faction divided

1833
01:07:44,630 --> 01:07:41,599
et

1834
01:07:45,430 --> 01:07:44,640
and maybe species divided e.t

1835
01:07:47,910 --> 01:07:45,440
that

1836
01:07:50,309 --> 01:07:47,920
we can certainly identify with you know

1837
01:07:52,630 --> 01:07:50,319
hey this is my planet no this is my

1838
01:07:54,309 --> 01:07:52,640
planet oh well i'm going to shoot at you

1839
01:07:56,789 --> 01:07:54,319
you're going to shoot at me i'm going to

1840
01:07:59,910 --> 01:07:56,799
win you're going to lose it sounds very

1841
01:08:03,910 --> 01:07:59,920
familiar it sounds very familiar so you

1842
01:08:07,109 --> 01:08:03,920
know back to my point of irresolvable so

1843
01:08:09,270 --> 01:08:07,119
if we take those and run with it run

1844
01:08:10,470 --> 01:08:09,280
with 800 000 years of genetic

1845
01:08:16,149 --> 01:08:10,480
manipulation

1846
01:08:17,910 --> 01:08:16,159
consistently reported by abductees is

1847
01:08:19,110 --> 01:08:17,920
it's all about genetics it's all about

1848
01:08:21,829 --> 01:08:19,120
this

1849
01:08:23,990 --> 01:08:21,839
here's where it doesn't resolve for me

1850
01:08:27,110 --> 01:08:24,000
when i hear people talk about uh

1851
01:08:29,349 --> 01:08:27,120
mythology they'll say like you said a

1852
01:08:31,189 --> 01:08:29,359
while back they seem to be obsessed with

1853
01:08:34,070 --> 01:08:31,199
bloodlines

1854
01:08:37,510 --> 01:08:34,080
no i look at bruce fenton and say dude

1855
01:08:39,590 --> 01:08:37,520
they are so far past bloodlines

1856
01:08:41,669 --> 01:08:39,600
they're doing genetic splicing in a

1857
01:08:43,590 --> 01:08:41,679
million different ways and creating all

1858
01:08:45,510 --> 01:08:43,600
these different in their garden they're

1859
01:08:46,870 --> 01:08:45,520
creating all these different varieties

1860
01:08:48,309 --> 01:08:46,880
and they're paring them down and they're

1861
01:08:51,829 --> 01:08:48,319
doing all this stuff

1862
01:08:55,030 --> 01:08:51,839
the idea of a literal

1863
01:08:57,749 --> 01:08:55,040
and that you know it it just is

1864
01:09:00,470 --> 01:08:57,759
it's it's a very it's it's a reading of

1865
01:09:02,709 --> 01:09:00,480
the folklore in mythology that doesn't

1866
01:09:04,630 --> 01:09:02,719
get us closer in that way it can't

1867
01:09:08,630 --> 01:09:04,640
really be resolved it can only be

1868
01:09:11,430 --> 01:09:08,640
resolved when we say oh perhaps that's a

1869
01:09:13,269 --> 01:09:11,440
metaphorical connection to what bruce

1870
01:09:15,910 --> 01:09:13,279
fenton is saying but we should never

1871
01:09:17,749 --> 01:09:15,920
dare take that literally that you know

1872
01:09:19,910 --> 01:09:17,759
they're worried about who they're

1873
01:09:22,229 --> 01:09:19,920
so that they get the the right

1874
01:09:25,590 --> 01:09:22,239
offspring kind of thing yeah that's a

1875
01:09:28,709 --> 01:09:25,600
huge can of worms right because

1876
01:09:31,910 --> 01:09:28,719
was it just the ancients describing it

1877
01:09:33,269 --> 01:09:31,920
laboratory style genetic manipulation

1878
01:09:36,149 --> 01:09:33,279
using

1879
01:09:37,829 --> 01:09:36,159
language such as bloodlines and breeding

1880
01:09:39,430 --> 01:09:37,839
into breeding

1881
01:09:42,229 --> 01:09:39,440
or was it more

1882
01:09:45,910 --> 01:09:42,239
a laboratory sterile objective

1883
01:09:49,030 --> 01:09:45,920
scientific manipulation of the genetics

1884
01:09:52,630 --> 01:09:49,040
but just taking the ancients literally

1885
01:09:54,310 --> 01:09:52,640
the gods and quotation marks were

1886
01:09:57,110 --> 01:09:54,320
lustful

1887
01:09:59,669 --> 01:09:57,120
sexually aroused by

1888
01:10:00,709 --> 01:09:59,679
human individuals and mated with them

1889
01:10:03,830 --> 01:10:00,719
right

1890
01:10:05,830 --> 01:10:03,840
and actually this is what uh ballet

1891
01:10:08,149 --> 01:10:05,840
fastball tonight um

1892
01:10:09,510 --> 01:10:08,159
begonia actually in that classic uh book

1893
01:10:11,910 --> 01:10:09,520
of his on

1894
01:10:13,669 --> 01:10:11,920
the continuum of folklore to ufology he

1895
01:10:15,669 --> 01:10:13,679
doesn't actually go back into

1896
01:10:17,590 --> 01:10:15,679
mythology but he does make the

1897
01:10:20,870 --> 01:10:17,600
connections between between sorry

1898
01:10:22,790 --> 01:10:20,880
folklore the witch trials and

1899
01:10:24,550 --> 01:10:22,800
ufology

1900
01:10:26,550 --> 01:10:24,560
and i actually just wrote this quote as

1901
01:10:27,590 --> 01:10:26,560
well because it's so important that

1902
01:10:30,470 --> 01:10:27,600
god

1903
01:10:32,550 --> 01:10:30,480
considerable problems arose however

1904
01:10:33,590 --> 01:10:32,560
when one had to identify the physical

1905
01:10:35,750 --> 01:10:33,600
process

1906
01:10:38,870 --> 01:10:35,760
of intercourse with demons

1907
01:10:40,229 --> 01:10:38,880
this is clearly a most difficult point

1908
01:10:42,790 --> 01:10:40,239
and then he writes in brackets as

1909
01:10:46,390 --> 01:10:42,800
difficult as that of identifying the

1910
01:10:48,310 --> 01:10:46,400
physical nature of flying sources

1911
01:10:50,149 --> 01:10:48,320
who wrote that and

1912
01:10:52,229 --> 01:10:50,159
that was valet that was vale's quote and

1913
01:10:53,830 --> 01:10:52,239
he was referring to the

1914
01:10:55,990 --> 01:10:53,840
um theologians

1915
01:10:57,990 --> 01:10:56,000
in the middle ages who were wrestling

1916
01:11:00,630 --> 01:10:58,000
with the

1917
01:11:03,669 --> 01:11:00,640
implications that this seemed to be

1918
01:11:05,430 --> 01:11:03,679
these entities these demons

1919
01:11:07,830 --> 01:11:05,440
who were interbreeding with humans

1920
01:11:09,189 --> 01:11:07,840
especially human females and creating

1921
01:11:11,830 --> 01:11:09,199
offspring eating

1922
01:11:13,669 --> 01:11:11,840
and how is this even possible is this

1923
01:11:15,590 --> 01:11:13,679
some sort of physical process some sort

1924
01:11:17,510 --> 01:11:15,600
of bloodline compatibility and when we

1925
01:11:19,510 --> 01:11:17,520
use the word bloodlines and all that

1926
01:11:20,950 --> 01:11:19,520
it's more of an old style of language

1927
01:11:22,630 --> 01:11:20,960
but

1928
01:11:24,550 --> 01:11:22,640
they didn't have that vocabulary to

1929
01:11:25,750 --> 01:11:24,560
describe this but just looking at it on

1930
01:11:27,669 --> 01:11:25,760
its surface

1931
01:11:29,669 --> 01:11:27,679
i still think we have to be

1932
01:11:31,430 --> 01:11:29,679
to be true to what the

1933
01:11:34,550 --> 01:11:31,440
ancient and the medieval sources were

1934
01:11:36,390 --> 01:11:34,560
saying it that there is this lust

1935
01:11:38,950 --> 01:11:36,400
it seems to be there seems to be a lust

1936
01:11:40,550 --> 01:11:38,960
of these entities like sexual desire of

1937
01:11:43,110 --> 01:11:40,560
these entities for

1938
01:11:45,110 --> 01:11:43,120
mating with humans so it's not just some

1939
01:11:47,270 --> 01:11:45,120
sterile laboratory thing

1940
01:11:49,350 --> 01:11:47,280
so i'd go a couple of different

1941
01:11:52,229 --> 01:11:49,360
directions with that

1942
01:11:55,270 --> 01:11:52,239
one that level of i don't know what to

1943
01:11:56,950 --> 01:11:55,280
even call it but but that to me that

1944
01:11:58,870 --> 01:11:56,960
resonates with this extended

1945
01:11:59,750 --> 01:11:58,880
consciousness realm that we're talking

1946
01:12:03,910 --> 01:11:59,760
about

1947
01:12:05,430 --> 01:12:03,920
those level of emotions uh to me

1948
01:12:07,990 --> 01:12:05,440
seem most

1949
01:12:10,149 --> 01:12:08,000
to most fit with the angels and the

1950
01:12:12,470 --> 01:12:10,159
demons and the extended consciousness

1951
01:12:14,229 --> 01:12:12,480
realm that filters through us so i

1952
01:12:15,430 --> 01:12:14,239
immediately want to pivot on that and

1953
01:12:17,110 --> 01:12:15,440
say hey

1954
01:12:20,709 --> 01:12:17,120
what do we really know what do we really

1955
01:12:24,229 --> 01:12:20,719
know of as lust and and lust being this

1956
01:12:27,189 --> 01:12:24,239
very human emotion but in so many ways

1957
01:12:29,990 --> 01:12:27,199
it seems to transcend our humanness and

1958
01:12:32,390 --> 01:12:30,000
that's both the allure of it and it's

1959
01:12:34,950 --> 01:12:32,400
also the destructive element of it and

1960
01:12:37,830 --> 01:12:34,960
that's been recorded forever so when we

1961
01:12:39,590 --> 01:12:37,840
talk about e.t with that i go back to my

1962
01:12:41,669 --> 01:12:39,600
question what does et's near-death

1963
01:12:43,990 --> 01:12:41,679
experience look like what is et's past

1964
01:12:46,790 --> 01:12:44,000
life what does et's life review look

1965
01:12:49,669 --> 01:12:46,800
like to me that gets us closer than

1966
01:12:52,950 --> 01:12:49,679
reading the sumerian tablets or reading

1967
01:12:53,990 --> 01:12:52,960
the anunnaki you know who say

1968
01:12:56,149 --> 01:12:54,000
what i was just hearing some of the

1969
01:12:58,470 --> 01:12:56,159
other days an expert in the anunnaki say

1970
01:13:00,470 --> 01:12:58,480
yeah you know we tried the genetic i'm

1971
01:13:03,189 --> 01:13:00,480
paraphrasing obviously we tried the

1972
01:13:04,950 --> 01:13:03,199
genetic engineering in a clay pot but

1973
01:13:06,950 --> 01:13:04,960
that didn't work so good so then they

1974
01:13:08,630 --> 01:13:06,960
had to shift to you know and you read

1975
01:13:10,790 --> 01:13:08,640
this stuff and you go

1976
01:13:12,229 --> 01:13:10,800
man i mean if they had genetic

1977
01:13:14,630 --> 01:13:12,239
engineering done i don't think they

1978
01:13:17,510 --> 01:13:14,640
tried it with a clay pot i think they

1979
01:13:18,310 --> 01:13:17,520
realized that might not work so well so

1980
01:13:20,070 --> 01:13:18,320
that's why i mean where it's

1981
01:13:22,709 --> 01:13:20,080
irresolvable and that's where we get

1982
01:13:24,709 --> 01:13:22,719
into this whole other layer of

1983
01:13:26,390 --> 01:13:24,719
false research or i don't want to call

1984
01:13:28,070 --> 01:13:26,400
it disinformation but

1985
01:13:30,310 --> 01:13:28,080
sitchin for instance

1986
01:13:32,390 --> 01:13:30,320
sitchin's the one who translated the

1987
01:13:33,430 --> 01:13:32,400
sumerian texts for anyone who doesn't

1988
01:13:35,590 --> 01:13:33,440
know and it's

1989
01:13:37,830 --> 01:13:35,600
it's just being very much criticized his

1990
01:13:38,790 --> 01:13:37,840
translations of certain words and that

1991
01:13:40,870 --> 01:13:38,800
it's very

1992
01:13:43,510 --> 01:13:40,880
much just leading into his

1993
01:13:44,870 --> 01:13:43,520
pet theory of this and i just i don't

1994
01:13:47,910 --> 01:13:44,880
want to go there too much because that's

1995
01:13:50,950 --> 01:13:47,920
not my field but we would we would have

1996
01:13:51,910 --> 01:13:50,960
to interject that over time

1997
01:13:57,669 --> 01:13:51,920
some of

1998
01:14:00,470 --> 01:13:57,679
have proven to be much more accurate

1999
01:14:02,550 --> 01:14:00,480
than the original academic

2000
01:14:04,390 --> 01:14:02,560
interpretations of it so we're in this

2001
01:14:07,030 --> 01:14:04,400
no man's land that we we kind of

2002
01:14:09,350 --> 01:14:07,040
returned to of like yeah did he take it

2003
01:14:11,669 --> 01:14:09,360
too far and did he misquote it yes but

2004
01:14:14,709 --> 01:14:11,679
was he on somehow the right track in

2005
01:14:15,750 --> 01:14:14,719
some way we don't know right but yeah

2006
01:14:17,830 --> 01:14:15,760
because

2007
01:14:19,830 --> 01:14:17,840
just from my perspective just looking at

2008
01:14:20,790 --> 01:14:19,840
it as academically as possible i would

2009
01:14:22,870 --> 01:14:20,800
just

2010
01:14:25,110 --> 01:14:22,880
use the standard trends academic

2011
01:14:27,350 --> 01:14:25,120
translations of these texts like the

2012
01:14:29,430 --> 01:14:27,360
enumera elisha and these other like the

2013
01:14:31,750 --> 01:14:29,440
gilgamesh epic and all these different

2014
01:14:33,669 --> 01:14:31,760
ones and just use the standard

2015
01:14:35,030 --> 01:14:33,679
academic translations which are accepted

2016
01:14:37,189 --> 01:14:35,040
by everyone

2017
01:14:39,669 --> 01:14:37,199
and you don't even need some specific

2018
01:14:40,390 --> 01:14:39,679
special translations of words to just

2019
01:14:42,870 --> 01:14:40,400
see

2020
01:14:44,709 --> 01:14:42,880
just this overwhelming pattern of

2021
01:14:46,709 --> 01:14:44,719
interbreeding between

2022
01:14:48,790 --> 01:14:46,719
gods and humans

2023
01:14:49,830 --> 01:14:48,800
and this is in in different continents

2024
01:14:52,229 --> 01:14:49,840
even going

2025
01:14:54,550 --> 01:14:52,239
right into the folklore of the american

2026
01:14:58,310 --> 01:14:54,560
indian rd6 killer clarks

2027
01:15:00,950 --> 01:14:58,320
the professor of um anthropology right

2028
01:15:03,669 --> 01:15:00,960
and her reports of these that later

2029
01:15:07,110 --> 01:15:03,679
people star people is with them

2030
01:15:09,750 --> 01:15:07,120
and and at several books as well now and

2031
01:15:11,110 --> 01:15:09,760
it's just remarkable the continuum

2032
01:15:13,430 --> 01:15:11,120
throughout time

2033
01:15:14,709 --> 01:15:13,440
and even of

2034
01:15:16,310 --> 01:15:14,719
beings

2035
01:15:18,790 --> 01:15:16,320
that we would have encountered in

2036
01:15:21,110 --> 01:15:18,800
mythology of these serpentine beings

2037
01:15:22,470 --> 01:15:21,120
even what david ike has been passing on

2038
01:15:24,550 --> 01:15:22,480
which he was ex

2039
01:15:26,310 --> 01:15:24,560
just absolutely made a laughing stock

2040
01:15:28,550 --> 01:15:26,320
off in the mainstream but

2041
01:15:29,590 --> 01:15:28,560
what is this is of a coincidence that

2042
01:15:31,510 --> 01:15:29,600
you've got

2043
01:15:33,030 --> 01:15:31,520
people these traditional people on the

2044
01:15:34,229 --> 01:15:33,040
other side of the world

2045
01:15:35,910 --> 01:15:34,239
in america

2046
01:15:37,830 --> 01:15:35,920
birth this

2047
01:15:40,070 --> 01:15:37,840
relatively unbroken tradition of

2048
01:15:40,870 --> 01:15:40,080
folklore and they're even experiencing

2049
01:15:43,950 --> 01:15:40,880
these

2050
01:15:46,310 --> 01:15:43,960
serpentine seemingly interdimensional

2051
01:15:48,070 --> 01:15:46,320
metamorphising beings that are

2052
01:15:49,350 --> 01:15:48,080
serpentine and they seem hostile to

2053
01:15:51,750 --> 01:15:49,360
humans

2054
01:15:54,630 --> 01:15:51,760
and just as a researcher

2055
01:15:57,110 --> 01:15:54,640
who's open-minded you just have to

2056
01:15:59,030 --> 01:15:57,120
take these seriously you just can't just

2057
01:16:01,189 --> 01:15:59,040
pass them off as nonsense

2058
01:16:02,950 --> 01:16:01,199
hey that's a that's a super great point

2059
01:16:03,750 --> 01:16:02,960
and i think you i think you did i think

2060
01:16:07,270 --> 01:16:03,760
you

2061
01:16:11,110 --> 01:16:07,280
won that one in terms of that's a very

2062
01:16:14,070 --> 01:16:11,120
direct here and now example of where we

2063
01:16:16,470 --> 01:16:14,080
are forced to resolve that we are forced

2064
01:16:17,990 --> 01:16:16,480
which is your point we do have to kind

2065
01:16:20,310 --> 01:16:18,000
of and that's what i think you're

2066
01:16:23,590 --> 01:16:20,320
advocating hey that has to be part of

2067
01:16:25,110 --> 01:16:23,600
your paradigm in a here now kind of

2068
01:16:28,070 --> 01:16:25,120
world because

2069
01:16:30,790 --> 01:16:28,080
as you point out if we go to the

2070
01:16:33,189 --> 01:16:30,800
native american tradition some of those

2071
01:16:35,669 --> 01:16:33,199
encounters are not that

2072
01:16:37,750 --> 01:16:35,679
they're more or less present day kind of

2073
01:16:39,750 --> 01:16:37,760
thing or within a couple of generations

2074
01:16:41,830 --> 01:16:39,760
yeah like her latest book i think it's

2075
01:16:44,630 --> 01:16:41,840
the latest book the one on

2076
01:16:46,070 --> 01:16:44,640
uh different seeming species of

2077
01:16:48,790 --> 01:16:46,080
ufo beings

2078
01:16:52,550 --> 01:16:48,800
and one of the sections on this is on

2079
01:16:54,390 --> 01:16:52,560
these reptilian sort of entities which

2080
01:16:56,950 --> 01:16:54,400
are shape-shifters

2081
01:16:58,709 --> 01:16:56,960
and she's getting these reports

2082
01:17:00,229 --> 01:16:58,719
apparently from

2083
01:17:03,510 --> 01:17:00,239
veterans from

2084
01:17:04,870 --> 01:17:03,520
vietnam and from more recent uh reports

2085
01:17:07,669 --> 01:17:04,880
as well so it's very

2086
01:17:09,270 --> 01:17:07,679
uh recent all of her accounts and i just

2087
01:17:12,709 --> 01:17:09,280
find her a

2088
01:17:15,510 --> 01:17:12,719
relatively trustworthy thought i mean

2089
01:17:18,310 --> 01:17:15,520
professor for retired now but professor

2090
01:17:20,229 --> 01:17:18,320
of anthropology and she seems to have

2091
01:17:22,790 --> 01:17:20,239
good protocols for

2092
01:17:25,030 --> 01:17:22,800
the collection of data and not

2093
01:17:27,910 --> 01:17:25,040
seeming to have leading questions unlike

2094
01:17:29,750 --> 01:17:27,920
for instance what i saw from

2095
01:17:32,390 --> 01:17:29,760
for instance the betting barney hill

2096
01:17:34,070 --> 01:17:32,400
case way back in the 50s with

2097
01:17:36,310 --> 01:17:34,080
the hypnosis that was done and there's

2098
01:17:38,149 --> 01:17:36,320
the audio of this which is available on

2099
01:17:39,910 --> 01:17:38,159
youtube that you can actually hear the

2100
01:17:42,550 --> 01:17:39,920
original recordings

2101
01:17:46,870 --> 01:17:42,560
and this hypnotist is asking extremely

2102
01:17:48,870 --> 01:17:46,880
leading questions and is filling in even

2103
01:17:51,669 --> 01:17:48,880
what the meaning of certain things are

2104
01:17:54,070 --> 01:17:51,679
so i was just very impressed with rd six

2105
01:17:57,030 --> 01:17:54,080
killer clock book for instance on

2106
01:17:59,430 --> 01:17:57,040
on these different seeming species of

2107
01:18:01,910 --> 01:17:59,440
ufo beings if we can call them that

2108
01:18:02,950 --> 01:18:01,920
in quotation marks

2109
01:18:05,270 --> 01:18:02,960
and

2110
01:18:08,070 --> 01:18:05,280
this is very strange right that there

2111
01:18:10,149 --> 01:18:08,080
would seem to be

2112
01:18:11,590 --> 01:18:10,159
these species these factions which are

2113
01:18:13,430 --> 01:18:11,600
fighting against each other and that

2114
01:18:16,070 --> 01:18:13,440
they're actually

2115
01:18:19,189 --> 01:18:16,080
in their encounters with humans

2116
01:18:19,990 --> 01:18:19,199
explicitly telling the humans

2117
01:18:22,229 --> 01:18:20,000
that

2118
01:18:23,350 --> 01:18:22,239
there are these factions of these beings

2119
01:18:25,510 --> 01:18:23,360
and that they're

2120
01:18:26,790 --> 01:18:25,520
fighting against each other and that

2121
01:18:29,110 --> 01:18:26,800
some are

2122
01:18:31,510 --> 01:18:29,120
extremely hostile to humans these

2123
01:18:34,149 --> 01:18:31,520
reptilians

2124
01:18:36,390 --> 01:18:34,159
and the which are also shape-shifters as

2125
01:18:38,070 --> 01:18:36,400
well to at least some degree

2126
01:18:40,229 --> 01:18:38,080
and these

2127
01:18:40,950 --> 01:18:40,239
other species if we can call them this

2128
01:18:42,630 --> 01:18:40,960
of

2129
01:18:45,030 --> 01:18:42,640
these ufo beings

2130
01:18:46,550 --> 01:18:45,040
which seem to be more

2131
01:18:47,669 --> 01:18:46,560
friendly towards humans and even

2132
01:18:49,910 --> 01:18:47,679
protecting

2133
01:18:52,470 --> 01:18:49,920
humans from from

2134
01:18:54,229 --> 01:18:52,480
disease and curing people and taking

2135
01:18:56,310 --> 01:18:54,239
them away from war zones for instance

2136
01:18:58,550 --> 01:18:56,320
and i just see this pattern over and

2137
01:19:01,189 --> 01:18:58,560
over again of

2138
01:19:02,229 --> 01:19:01,199
factions or species of these ufo beings

2139
01:19:04,070 --> 01:19:02,239
which are

2140
01:19:05,910 --> 01:19:04,080
in conflict with each other and humans

2141
01:19:07,669 --> 01:19:05,920
seem to be

2142
01:19:10,550 --> 01:19:07,679
in the middle of this and quite

2143
01:19:11,510 --> 01:19:10,560
unwitting and even quite

2144
01:19:13,350 --> 01:19:11,520
minor

2145
01:19:14,870 --> 01:19:13,360
players in the whole

2146
01:19:17,030 --> 01:19:14,880
cosmos

2147
01:19:19,430 --> 01:19:17,040
and this is actually exactly what we see

2148
01:19:23,590 --> 01:19:19,440
in mythology that

2149
01:19:25,910 --> 01:19:23,600
humans are actually very minor in the

2150
01:19:28,310 --> 01:19:25,920
scale of the cosmos and

2151
01:19:30,709 --> 01:19:28,320
the different species if we can call

2152
01:19:32,390 --> 01:19:30,719
them that of these gods in conflict with

2153
01:19:34,229 --> 01:19:32,400
each other for instance in the in greek

2154
01:19:36,470 --> 01:19:34,239
mythology it's between the

2155
01:19:39,189 --> 01:19:36,480
olympians and the titans

2156
01:19:41,270 --> 01:19:39,199
and there's this great struggle between

2157
01:19:42,870 --> 01:19:41,280
zeus for instance the

2158
01:19:44,470 --> 01:19:42,880
king of the olympians the leader of the

2159
01:19:47,430 --> 01:19:44,480
olympians and

2160
01:19:49,270 --> 01:19:47,440
prometheus the titan who is

2161
01:19:52,310 --> 01:19:49,280
aiding humans it seems giving them

2162
01:19:55,189 --> 01:19:52,320
technology giving humans technology

2163
01:19:58,950 --> 01:19:55,199
and zeus being so so angry at this that

2164
01:20:01,110 --> 01:19:58,960
he tortured prometheus in perpetuity

2165
01:20:03,750 --> 01:20:01,120
and then you've got in this fragmented

2166
01:20:05,430 --> 01:20:03,760
hesiod who is one of the most important

2167
01:20:09,030 --> 01:20:05,440
sources of mythology

2168
01:20:10,709 --> 01:20:09,040
it explicitly detailing how jews decided

2169
01:20:12,390 --> 01:20:10,719
that there was too much interbreeding

2170
01:20:13,110 --> 01:20:12,400
between

2171
01:20:28,310 --> 01:20:13,120
the

2172
01:20:31,189 --> 01:20:28,320
bloodlines so it's it's very much a

2173
01:20:33,510 --> 01:20:31,199
pattern again that we see in euphoria

2174
01:20:35,110 --> 01:20:33,520
these factions who are fighting amongst

2175
01:20:36,709 --> 01:20:35,120
themselves and humans seem to be in the

2176
01:20:39,110 --> 01:20:36,719
middle of this and

2177
01:20:40,470 --> 01:20:39,120
just small players and then you've got

2178
01:20:42,709 --> 01:20:40,480
mythology

2179
01:20:44,950 --> 01:20:42,719
basically saying the same thing hey let

2180
01:20:47,669 --> 01:20:44,960
me let me jump in there that is that is

2181
01:20:49,510 --> 01:20:47,679
wonderful and i see where

2182
01:20:51,270 --> 01:20:49,520
now i see more clearly where you've been

2183
01:20:54,070 --> 01:20:51,280
going all along

2184
01:20:56,390 --> 01:20:54,080
and i i just here would be my my

2185
01:20:58,550 --> 01:20:56,400
pushback the the interesting part of the

2186
01:21:01,110 --> 01:20:58,560
discussion we can have

2187
01:21:03,590 --> 01:21:01,120
to me it seems like uh one it seems like

2188
01:21:05,750 --> 01:21:03,600
a why evil matters kind of question it

2189
01:21:08,149 --> 01:21:05,760
also seems like an as below so above

2190
01:21:09,910 --> 01:21:08,159
kind of question in terms of we see the

2191
01:21:12,390 --> 01:21:09,920
same thing

2192
01:21:15,510 --> 01:21:12,400
within ourselves and within our culture

2193
01:21:17,910 --> 01:21:15,520
people who are deemed as less worthy

2194
01:21:20,229 --> 01:21:17,920
less valuable and we've done this

2195
01:21:21,990 --> 01:21:20,239
throughout our recorded history you know

2196
01:21:23,030 --> 01:21:22,000
these people can be ignored these people

2197
01:21:25,669 --> 01:21:23,040
can be

2198
01:21:28,870 --> 01:21:25,679
butchered killed in all sorts of ways

2199
01:21:31,430 --> 01:21:28,880
enslaved all these things so this idea

2200
01:21:34,950 --> 01:21:31,440
of there being this hierarchy that we

2201
01:21:38,229 --> 01:21:34,960
impose that is beyond any kind of moral

2202
01:21:40,709 --> 01:21:38,239
imperative of some ultimate highest form

2203
01:21:43,350 --> 01:21:40,719
of the consciousness is

2204
01:21:45,750 --> 01:21:43,360
it is always that question

2205
01:21:46,790 --> 01:21:45,760
and maybe i'm not being direct enough so

2206
01:21:48,950 --> 01:21:46,800
the point

2207
01:21:51,990 --> 01:21:48,960
i would make is do we think

2208
01:21:54,229 --> 01:21:52,000
consciousness is hierarchical are we

2209
01:21:56,790 --> 01:21:54,239
willing to speculate that there is a

2210
01:21:59,590 --> 01:21:56,800
hierarchy and that hierarchy would point

2211
01:22:00,629 --> 01:21:59,600
to something that we would identify as

2212
01:22:02,950 --> 01:22:00,639
god

2213
01:22:04,950 --> 01:22:02,960
and i think that most of our wisdom

2214
01:22:07,510 --> 01:22:04,960
traditions would tell us

2215
01:22:09,510 --> 01:22:07,520
and along with the science that i see

2216
01:22:12,870 --> 01:22:09,520
like the near-death experience science

2217
01:22:14,310 --> 01:22:12,880
is telling us that the prometheus is a

2218
01:22:20,550 --> 01:22:14,320
head fake

2219
01:22:22,550 --> 01:22:20,560
the sense of if you think that's god

2220
01:22:24,790 --> 01:22:22,560
you've kind of missed the point the

2221
01:22:27,189 --> 01:22:24,800
point is they're going to have a life

2222
01:22:29,350 --> 01:22:27,199
review too and they have a soul and

2223
01:22:31,350 --> 01:22:29,360
their soul is on some kind of journey

2224
01:22:32,870 --> 01:22:31,360
that we can't understand and this is why

2225
01:22:35,110 --> 01:22:32,880
i'm being reluctant to go there because

2226
01:22:36,870 --> 01:22:35,120
we can't really talk about this stuff in

2227
01:22:38,629 --> 01:22:36,880
any meaningful way but at the same time

2228
01:22:40,790 --> 01:22:38,639
i think if we don't i think that's the

2229
01:22:42,790 --> 01:22:40,800
limiting belief i think we can

2230
01:22:45,510 --> 01:22:42,800
we just need to look at the data

2231
01:22:48,550 --> 01:22:45,520
and if we look at near-death experiences

2232
01:22:49,270 --> 01:22:48,560
it's undeniable that there's a hierarchy

2233
01:22:52,470 --> 01:22:49,280
of

2234
01:22:54,550 --> 01:22:52,480
souls shown there all the way up to

2235
01:22:56,550 --> 01:22:54,560
what you could call god

2236
01:22:58,149 --> 01:22:56,560
and we see this in the mythology as well

2237
01:22:59,350 --> 01:22:58,159
they're talking about hierarchies it's

2238
01:23:00,790 --> 01:22:59,360
extremely

2239
01:23:02,629 --> 01:23:00,800
hierarchical

2240
01:23:05,510 --> 01:23:02,639
so we just look at the data and the data

2241
01:23:07,030 --> 01:23:05,520
shows overwhelmingly that it's not

2242
01:23:08,629 --> 01:23:07,040
egalitarian there are there are

2243
01:23:10,870 --> 01:23:08,639
hierarchies and

2244
01:23:12,149 --> 01:23:10,880
in these wisdom traditions and these

2245
01:23:13,350 --> 01:23:12,159
extremely

2246
01:23:15,750 --> 01:23:13,360
internal

2247
01:23:18,390 --> 01:23:15,760
meditative traditions in

2248
01:23:19,990 --> 01:23:18,400
tibet and in india we're seeing exactly

2249
01:23:21,110 --> 01:23:20,000
the same thing as well let me just

2250
01:23:22,390 --> 01:23:21,120
interject here because i want to get

2251
01:23:25,430 --> 01:23:22,400
your thought on this

2252
01:23:27,189 --> 01:23:25,440
the way i read that from a lot of the

2253
01:23:29,830 --> 01:23:27,199
indian tradition and the non-dual

2254
01:23:32,229 --> 01:23:29,840
tradition is that what we're what we're

2255
01:23:36,470 --> 01:23:32,239
really looking at is

2256
01:23:38,470 --> 01:23:36,480
confusion is misunderstanding is a less

2257
01:23:40,310 --> 01:23:38,480
than full learning and that if we did

2258
01:23:42,390 --> 01:23:40,320
look at it more broadly and i'm just

2259
01:23:45,669 --> 01:23:42,400
throwing this out as a hypothesis is

2260
01:23:48,709 --> 01:23:45,679
that that kind of hierarchy is

2261
01:23:52,390 --> 01:23:48,719
attuned to our consciousness down here

2262
01:23:54,790 --> 01:23:52,400
but that the ultimate reality is that

2263
01:23:56,629 --> 01:23:54,800
we're all just bubbles in the ocean and

2264
01:23:58,229 --> 01:23:56,639
there's a lot of bubbles in the ocean

2265
01:24:00,470 --> 01:23:58,239
and every time a wave hits there's a

2266
01:24:02,790 --> 01:24:00,480
bunch of new bubbles don't get too hung

2267
01:24:05,189 --> 01:24:02,800
up on your bubble and don't get too in

2268
01:24:08,149 --> 01:24:05,199
prometheus man that's a big bubble but

2269
01:24:09,590 --> 01:24:08,159
it's just a bubble that would be

2270
01:24:11,830 --> 01:24:09,600
the non-dual

2271
01:24:13,669 --> 01:24:11,840
philosophy that we're all kind of back

2272
01:24:15,910 --> 01:24:13,679
to that sorry to interrupt that this is

2273
01:24:17,350 --> 01:24:15,920
the biggest debate in indian philosophy

2274
01:24:19,910 --> 01:24:17,360
right in vedanta

2275
01:24:21,270 --> 01:24:19,920
of dualism versus non-jewish and

2276
01:24:23,830 --> 01:24:21,280
qualified

2277
01:24:24,790 --> 01:24:23,840
non-dualism so you've got these mixtures

2278
01:24:29,030 --> 01:24:24,800
of

2279
01:24:31,110 --> 01:24:29,040
but i i just

2280
01:24:32,229 --> 01:24:31,120
think look at the data right

2281
01:24:33,669 --> 01:24:32,239
and

2282
01:24:35,590 --> 01:24:33,679
the data is showing that there are

2283
01:24:37,830 --> 01:24:35,600
hierarchies so i just think

2284
01:24:39,510 --> 01:24:37,840
you've got to somehow get around that

2285
01:24:42,229 --> 01:24:39,520
you could say that

2286
01:24:44,229 --> 01:24:42,239
there's something beyond it

2287
01:24:47,270 --> 01:24:44,239
but to just deny that there is hierarchy

2288
01:24:49,110 --> 01:24:47,280
within the nde experiences would just be

2289
01:24:51,030 --> 01:24:49,120
to just falsify things right now i just

2290
01:24:53,189 --> 01:24:51,040
want to be clear about that then let's

2291
01:24:54,950 --> 01:24:53,199
agree on that and see where that takes

2292
01:24:57,430 --> 01:24:54,960
us because

2293
01:25:00,149 --> 01:24:57,440
sometimes what i hear

2294
01:25:02,310 --> 01:25:00,159
you saying and i hear this in the in the

2295
01:25:04,950 --> 01:25:02,320
mythology folklore you know

2296
01:25:06,149 --> 01:25:04,960
shape-shifting alien kind of thing

2297
01:25:11,189 --> 01:25:06,159
is

2298
01:25:13,510 --> 01:25:11,199
different than i would assume it to be

2299
01:25:15,110 --> 01:25:13,520
so when i look at

2300
01:25:17,830 --> 01:25:15,120
ted bundy

2301
01:25:18,870 --> 01:25:17,840
and i look at somebody who i think was

2302
01:25:23,430 --> 01:25:18,880
being

2303
01:25:26,149 --> 01:25:23,440
consciousness realm

2304
01:25:28,709 --> 01:25:26,159
i'm not sure where to put ted bundy in

2305
01:25:31,510 --> 01:25:28,719
that hierarchy when i look at the people

2306
01:25:33,830 --> 01:25:31,520
who are behind some of these

2307
01:25:37,189 --> 01:25:33,840
global control mechanisms that seem to

2308
01:25:40,629 --> 01:25:37,199
be imposed on us when i look at you know

2309
01:25:43,110 --> 01:25:40,639
the arrival matters the annika lucas

2310
01:25:45,270 --> 01:25:43,120
souled into a satanic ritual abuse cult

2311
01:25:47,910 --> 01:25:45,280
at six years old by her mother

2312
01:25:50,310 --> 01:25:47,920
i don't know what her how her mother

2313
01:25:53,189 --> 01:25:50,320
fits in the hierarchy i don't know how

2314
01:25:56,709 --> 01:25:53,199
the people who brought this child to a

2315
01:25:59,510 --> 01:25:56,719
mansion and were the highest ranking

2316
01:26:01,750 --> 01:25:59,520
the european rulers and raped a

2317
01:26:04,470 --> 01:26:01,760
six-year-old i don't know how they fit

2318
01:26:06,870 --> 01:26:04,480
into this hierarchy but i would suggest

2319
01:26:09,350 --> 01:26:06,880
my gut instinct is that if we're

2320
01:26:11,590 --> 01:26:09,360
thinking of it as purely a human

2321
01:26:13,990 --> 01:26:11,600
hierarchy we're kind of missing the

2322
01:26:16,790 --> 01:26:14,000
point and i would say this similarly

2323
01:26:19,590 --> 01:26:16,800
that if we're thinking of the reptilian

2324
01:26:22,470 --> 01:26:19,600
who's raping the abductee which we hear

2325
01:26:24,070 --> 01:26:22,480
about in the et encounters as somehow

2326
01:26:26,709 --> 01:26:24,080
fitting into this hierarchy and we're

2327
01:26:29,910 --> 01:26:26,719
going to slot him or her in there or

2328
01:26:30,950 --> 01:26:29,920
there i don't think we have the ability

2329
01:26:33,990 --> 01:26:30,960
to

2330
01:26:36,550 --> 01:26:34,000
do that in a way that is reliable

2331
01:26:38,390 --> 01:26:36,560
i agree because we just we we can't

2332
01:26:40,790 --> 01:26:38,400
really look into the minds of these

2333
01:26:42,790 --> 01:26:40,800
individuals right we have to also leave

2334
01:26:44,070 --> 01:26:42,800
open the possibility that

2335
01:26:46,229 --> 01:26:44,080
there is

2336
01:26:48,390 --> 01:26:46,239
direct entity possession of people and

2337
01:26:50,229 --> 01:26:48,400
this goes way back

2338
01:26:53,830 --> 01:26:50,239
into the ancient past and we wouldn't

2339
01:26:56,550 --> 01:26:53,840
even know where to slot those entities

2340
01:26:58,310 --> 01:26:56,560
uh i can even give you some some

2341
01:27:00,229 --> 01:26:58,320
data point here which i actually wrote

2342
01:27:01,830 --> 01:27:00,239
down before shows

2343
01:27:03,510 --> 01:27:01,840
because we didn't really discuss

2344
01:27:05,510 --> 01:27:03,520
much of this we're just really opening

2345
01:27:08,070 --> 01:27:05,520
cans of worms here that according to

2346
01:27:09,990 --> 01:27:08,080
wikipedia on spirit possession i'll just

2347
01:27:13,030 --> 01:27:10,000
cloak the sentence quote

2348
01:27:16,070 --> 01:27:13,040
in a 1969 study funded by the national

2349
01:27:18,310 --> 01:27:16,080
institute of mental health

2350
01:27:20,709 --> 01:27:18,320
spirit possession beliefs were found to

2351
01:27:24,470 --> 01:27:20,719
exist in 74

2352
01:27:28,870 --> 01:27:24,480
of a sample of 488 societies in all

2353
01:27:30,229 --> 01:27:28,880
parts of the world so 74 of societies

2354
01:27:32,310 --> 01:27:30,239
that's great

2355
01:27:34,390 --> 01:27:32,320
that's a great quote wikipedia finally

2356
01:27:35,830 --> 01:27:34,400
pays off

2357
01:27:37,669 --> 01:27:35,840
yes and i just think you just got to

2358
01:27:39,510 --> 01:27:37,679
follow the data with these things and

2359
01:27:41,189 --> 01:27:39,520
there's too much speculation too much

2360
01:27:43,510 --> 01:27:41,199
philosophizing

2361
01:27:46,310 --> 01:27:43,520
without really getting the feet firmly

2362
01:27:47,990 --> 01:27:46,320
on the ground of the data itself right

2363
01:27:49,270 --> 01:27:48,000
but but i'm going to drill on this a

2364
01:27:53,590 --> 01:27:49,280
little bit further

2365
01:27:55,590 --> 01:27:53,600
i'm suggesting that that data again is

2366
01:27:57,990 --> 01:27:55,600
even when we creep closer to it's all

2367
01:28:01,430 --> 01:27:58,000
about exactly what you're doing is that

2368
01:28:03,350 --> 01:28:01,440
the data moves us closer to being a

2369
01:28:05,590 --> 01:28:03,360
little bit less wrong we're always going

2370
01:28:07,750 --> 01:28:05,600
to be wrong but a little bit less wrong

2371
01:28:09,590 --> 01:28:07,760
but where i see a lot of people going

2372
01:28:11,910 --> 01:28:09,600
with that and it seemed like you were

2373
01:28:14,149 --> 01:28:11,920
with me and you agreed is that the

2374
01:28:17,990 --> 01:28:14,159
implications of that are unclear the

2375
01:28:20,470 --> 01:28:18,000
implications of where we would slot the

2376
01:28:24,070 --> 01:28:20,480
demon that's possessing someone in the

2377
01:28:25,990 --> 01:28:24,080
hierarchical structure is unclear to us

2378
01:28:26,870 --> 01:28:26,000
just like it's unclear where we would

2379
01:28:30,229 --> 01:28:26,880
slot

2380
01:28:31,510 --> 01:28:30,239
somebody who is out there living

2381
01:28:34,070 --> 01:28:31,520
right next to us that you're going to

2382
01:28:37,750 --> 01:28:34,080
walk past the street that is an advanced

2383
01:28:39,990 --> 01:28:37,760
human being of a spiritual order that we

2384
01:28:42,870 --> 01:28:40,000
can't really understand maybe that

2385
01:28:45,189 --> 01:28:42,880
person would be slotted like way way up

2386
01:28:47,510 --> 01:28:45,199
there i don't think we know and i think

2387
01:28:48,550 --> 01:28:47,520
we we make the mistake when we assume

2388
01:28:54,470 --> 01:28:48,560
that

2389
01:28:57,510 --> 01:28:54,480
grasp i don't think it is

2390
01:28:59,270 --> 01:28:57,520
no i agree i agree with that because

2391
01:29:02,709 --> 01:28:59,280
how do we even define

2392
01:29:05,270 --> 01:29:02,719
what is a more evolved being if we can

2393
01:29:07,030 --> 01:29:05,280
just use this hierarchy as a structure

2394
01:29:08,790 --> 01:29:07,040
we've identified this in the data but

2395
01:29:11,350 --> 01:29:08,800
how do we even define

2396
01:29:12,550 --> 01:29:11,360
what is then a more advanced being for

2397
01:29:14,470 --> 01:29:12,560
instance

2398
01:29:16,470 --> 01:29:14,480
the typical

2399
01:29:18,390 --> 01:29:16,480
ancient religious fear was that

2400
01:29:21,189 --> 01:29:18,400
especially in the east in india and in

2401
01:29:23,990 --> 01:29:21,199
tibet was that the

2402
01:29:26,629 --> 01:29:24,000
the more advanced being was just just

2403
01:29:28,149 --> 01:29:26,639
beyond the physical and had released the

2404
01:29:30,390 --> 01:29:28,159
attachments of

2405
01:29:31,830 --> 01:29:30,400
the physical so to speak

2406
01:29:33,030 --> 01:29:31,840
and was

2407
01:29:38,470 --> 01:29:33,040
in

2408
01:29:39,590 --> 01:29:38,480
huge can of worms here because i haven't

2409
01:29:40,870 --> 01:29:39,600
actually

2410
01:29:43,270 --> 01:29:40,880
heard anyone

2411
01:29:44,229 --> 01:29:43,280
say this before but i

2412
01:29:47,270 --> 01:29:44,239
was

2413
01:29:49,350 --> 01:29:47,280
reading about what carl gustav jung the

2414
01:29:50,629 --> 01:29:49,360
psychologist wrote about his ufo

2415
01:29:53,110 --> 01:29:50,639
experience because he wrote a book on

2416
01:29:54,790 --> 01:29:53,120
you of course as well and he relates the

2417
01:29:57,669 --> 01:29:54,800
dream that he had

2418
01:30:00,149 --> 01:29:57,679
where he was by a lake in this dream and

2419
01:30:02,149 --> 01:30:00,159
it seems very very vivid and real and on

2420
01:30:04,709 --> 01:30:02,159
the edge of the lake there was this

2421
01:30:07,270 --> 01:30:04,719
light which was obvious and

2422
01:30:08,709 --> 01:30:07,280
grew larger and became a ufo

2423
01:30:11,669 --> 01:30:08,719
and from this

2424
01:30:14,390 --> 01:30:11,679
this ufo came this beam of light and

2425
01:30:17,510 --> 01:30:14,400
it's shone on him and somehow he had

2426
01:30:19,350 --> 01:30:17,520
this intuition this feeling that he

2427
01:30:20,390 --> 01:30:19,360
cargo starving the

2428
01:30:21,990 --> 01:30:20,400
individual

2429
01:30:25,270 --> 01:30:22,000
was actually

2430
01:30:27,350 --> 01:30:25,280
a projection of the u.s so that he was

2431
01:30:29,189 --> 01:30:27,360
created by the ufo

2432
01:30:30,550 --> 01:30:29,199
and this to me was absolutely

2433
01:30:33,510 --> 01:30:30,560
mind-blowing when i started thinking

2434
01:30:34,870 --> 01:30:33,520
about this because i respect calculus

2435
01:30:35,750 --> 01:30:34,880
just his

2436
01:30:38,390 --> 01:30:35,760
his

2437
01:30:40,629 --> 01:30:38,400
audacity just to open up these these

2438
01:30:43,110 --> 01:30:40,639
more hidden fields

2439
01:30:45,110 --> 01:30:43,120
and just his experiences to relate them

2440
01:30:48,550 --> 01:30:45,120
and it's just seemed so bizarre that a

2441
01:30:51,669 --> 01:30:48,560
ufo would actually be creating

2442
01:30:52,790 --> 01:30:51,679
yourself your own ego your own physical

2443
01:30:55,350 --> 01:30:52,800
body

2444
01:30:57,030 --> 01:30:55,360
and then i started to wonder

2445
01:30:58,629 --> 01:30:57,040
was this to get back to the very

2446
01:31:00,629 --> 01:30:58,639
beginning was this reincarnation

2447
01:31:01,510 --> 01:31:00,639
experience and quotation marks that i

2448
01:31:03,270 --> 01:31:01,520
had

2449
01:31:06,070 --> 01:31:03,280
was this a

2450
01:31:08,149 --> 01:31:06,080
projection some sort of

2451
01:31:10,229 --> 01:31:08,159
telepathic

2452
01:31:12,070 --> 01:31:10,239
sort of reality that i saw that was

2453
01:31:14,550 --> 01:31:12,080
completely controlled

2454
01:31:16,629 --> 01:31:14,560
by this ufo

2455
01:31:19,110 --> 01:31:16,639
but how do i actually know

2456
01:31:21,990 --> 01:31:19,120
that this was real what i saw maybe it

2457
01:31:24,629 --> 01:31:22,000
was just like seeing a movie a film

2458
01:31:27,669 --> 01:31:24,639
by this ufo of something that it wanted

2459
01:31:28,870 --> 01:31:27,679
me to see but it has no basis whatsoever

2460
01:31:32,629 --> 01:31:28,880
in reality

2461
01:31:35,189 --> 01:31:32,639
like as a historical reality

2462
01:31:37,510 --> 01:31:35,199
i'm totally with you i i i really

2463
01:31:39,350 --> 01:31:37,520
appreciate where you're going with that

2464
01:31:41,830 --> 01:31:39,360
historical reality

2465
01:31:44,149 --> 01:31:41,840
again that that is just

2466
01:31:46,550 --> 01:31:44,159
another looking glass another lens

2467
01:31:48,470 --> 01:31:46,560
through which to look at and i guess i

2468
01:31:51,350 --> 01:31:48,480
always come back to this point

2469
01:31:53,310 --> 01:31:51,360
all the data all the data sets we have

2470
01:31:56,390 --> 01:31:53,320
suggest that we have the most

2471
01:31:58,550 --> 01:31:56,400
disadvantaged viewpoint of all this

2472
01:32:00,709 --> 01:31:58,560
right so it's like if you're going to

2473
01:32:03,669 --> 01:32:00,719
process that back in the here and now

2474
01:32:06,070 --> 01:32:03,679
reality everything we have tells us man

2475
01:32:07,830 --> 01:32:06,080
you're you're kind of at a at a loss

2476
01:32:10,229 --> 01:32:07,840
like people who have transcendent

2477
01:32:11,750 --> 01:32:10,239
experience and say i knew everything i

2478
01:32:14,149 --> 01:32:11,760
knew the answer to all the physics

2479
01:32:15,990 --> 01:32:14,159
questions i could even ask in my head

2480
01:32:17,990 --> 01:32:16,000
they immediately came to me and then i

2481
01:32:19,110 --> 01:32:18,000
came back and i don't have it anymore i

2482
01:32:20,950 --> 01:32:19,120
had you know

2483
01:32:23,430 --> 01:32:20,960
unlimited telepathic and spiritual

2484
01:32:25,189 --> 01:32:23,440
powers and i don't have them anymore so

2485
01:32:27,830 --> 01:32:25,199
i just think

2486
01:32:31,189 --> 01:32:27,840
i just gotta check myself check you when

2487
01:32:33,590 --> 01:32:31,199
we come back and say okay now i'm here

2488
01:32:36,790 --> 01:32:33,600
now in this time space reality and i'm

2489
01:32:39,910 --> 01:32:36,800
contemplating what young wrote in his

2490
01:32:42,470 --> 01:32:39,920
book it's like cool but realize we're

2491
01:32:44,310 --> 01:32:42,480
really at a disadvantage when we do that

2492
01:32:46,149 --> 01:32:44,320
absolutely i agree with you there but

2493
01:32:47,110 --> 01:32:46,159
there are other just looking at it at

2494
01:32:49,590 --> 01:32:47,120
this

2495
01:32:52,310 --> 01:32:49,600
level of recollection right

2496
01:32:54,229 --> 01:32:52,320
that jung is recollecting what he was

2497
01:32:56,390 --> 01:32:54,239
experiencing and i'm recollecting what i

2498
01:32:58,950 --> 01:32:56,400
experienced and i can say as well like

2499
01:33:00,950 --> 01:32:58,960
uh richard dolan that

2500
01:33:03,270 --> 01:33:00,960
he had an excellent um

2501
01:33:05,510 --> 01:33:03,280
video recently on the psychology of

2502
01:33:07,189 --> 01:33:05,520
aliens and we can just let's just call

2503
01:33:10,229 --> 01:33:07,199
him aliens for that right

2504
01:33:11,430 --> 01:33:10,239
i prefer the term ufo being because it's

2505
01:33:13,830 --> 01:33:11,440
more

2506
01:33:15,030 --> 01:33:13,840
open but but he just made the amazing

2507
01:33:17,030 --> 01:33:15,040
point that

2508
01:33:19,430 --> 01:33:17,040
these tall greys

2509
01:33:20,950 --> 01:33:19,440
that they they seem to be really scary

2510
01:33:22,709 --> 01:33:20,960
if you just think about it

2511
01:33:24,629 --> 01:33:22,719
but so often

2512
01:33:26,709 --> 01:33:24,639
these experiences

2513
01:33:29,750 --> 01:33:26,719
are reporting that they are feeling

2514
01:33:32,310 --> 01:33:29,760
these overwhelming feelings of love

2515
01:33:33,350 --> 01:33:32,320
and dolan is just making just putting

2516
01:33:34,870 --> 01:33:33,360
these two

2517
01:33:36,390 --> 01:33:34,880
together and just saying like how is

2518
01:33:38,629 --> 01:33:36,400
this even possible these people are

2519
01:33:40,629 --> 01:33:38,639
experiencing more love

2520
01:33:42,070 --> 01:33:40,639
reportedly anyway than they've ever

2521
01:33:44,629 --> 01:33:42,080
experienced before

2522
01:33:46,550 --> 01:33:44,639
in the presence of these tall great and

2523
01:33:48,390 --> 01:33:46,560
this this just to me just shows that

2524
01:33:50,550 --> 01:33:48,400
these beings seem to be able to

2525
01:33:51,510 --> 01:33:50,560
manipulate our consciousness our

2526
01:33:54,070 --> 01:33:51,520
feelings

2527
01:33:56,070 --> 01:33:54,080
to such an enormous degree for instance

2528
01:33:58,870 --> 01:33:56,080
ray hernandez another example who you've

2529
01:34:00,550 --> 01:33:58,880
interviewed he was going down the stairs

2530
01:34:02,790 --> 01:34:00,560
and just had this

2531
01:34:04,470 --> 01:34:02,800
thought put into his head seemingly just

2532
01:34:06,310 --> 01:34:04,480
this is nonsense the thing is you have

2533
01:34:08,550 --> 01:34:06,320
thrown down with his wife healing the

2534
01:34:10,790 --> 01:34:08,560
dog and he just walks up to the bed

2535
01:34:13,669 --> 01:34:10,800
right and it's just so

2536
01:34:15,430 --> 01:34:13,679
controlling its extreme control that's

2537
01:34:17,110 --> 01:34:15,440
the screen memory by the way you know i

2538
01:34:19,669 --> 01:34:17,120
i was stumbling with the term that's a

2539
01:34:21,510 --> 01:34:19,679
great example of a of a screen memory or

2540
01:34:23,350 --> 01:34:21,520
implanted thought if we take into

2541
01:34:25,750 --> 01:34:23,360
consideration this data

2542
01:34:28,709 --> 01:34:25,760
that these ufo beings are extremely

2543
01:34:31,350 --> 01:34:28,719
telepathic and control people's thoughts

2544
01:34:32,550 --> 01:34:31,360
and feelings and actions to such a huge

2545
01:34:35,510 --> 01:34:32,560
degree

2546
01:34:37,270 --> 01:34:35,520
including overwhelming feelings of love

2547
01:34:38,229 --> 01:34:37,280
that they've never experienced to such a

2548
01:34:39,990 --> 01:34:38,239
degree

2549
01:34:42,709 --> 01:34:40,000
that we have to

2550
01:34:44,629 --> 01:34:42,719
leave it on the table that maybe nds are

2551
01:34:46,950 --> 01:34:44,639
also a manipulation

2552
01:34:48,390 --> 01:34:46,960
that it's not the foundation of reality

2553
01:34:51,030 --> 01:34:48,400
that it could be

2554
01:34:53,510 --> 01:34:51,040
the ufos manipulating our consciousness

2555
01:34:55,109 --> 01:34:53,520
while we're somehow loosened from our

2556
01:34:57,910 --> 01:34:55,119
physical bonds

2557
01:35:00,229 --> 01:34:57,920
totally it's totally a possibility

2558
01:35:03,350 --> 01:35:00,239
it just doesn't add up to me it's like

2559
01:35:05,510 --> 01:35:03,360
the super psy explanation for

2560
01:35:07,590 --> 01:35:05,520
after death communication it doesn't

2561
01:35:09,830 --> 01:35:07,600
really make any sense if you if you

2562
01:35:12,310 --> 01:35:09,840
think it through because it doesn't

2563
01:35:14,229 --> 01:35:12,320
fit the reported phenomenon that you

2564
01:35:16,310 --> 01:35:14,239
hear all the time it's also like when i

2565
01:35:18,229 --> 01:35:16,320
hear about the simulation theory that

2566
01:35:20,390 --> 01:35:18,239
we're living in a simulation you know

2567
01:35:22,870 --> 01:35:20,400
and the same thing i would say here

2568
01:35:26,629 --> 01:35:22,880
we are they are somehow projecting a

2569
01:35:29,109 --> 01:35:26,639
feeling of infinite love and oneness

2570
01:35:31,030 --> 01:35:29,119
simulation simulation of what

2571
01:35:33,270 --> 01:35:31,040
what are they simulating this is again

2572
01:35:35,189 --> 01:35:33,280
this is now outside of time and space

2573
01:35:38,870 --> 01:35:35,199
it's outside of our

2574
01:35:41,189 --> 01:35:38,880
physical emotional you know brain based

2575
01:35:43,350 --> 01:35:41,199
experience chemical kind of thing right

2576
01:35:45,189 --> 01:35:43,360
because near-death experience we no

2577
01:35:46,550 --> 01:35:45,199
longer have a brain we no longer have a

2578
01:35:49,910 --> 01:35:46,560
body

2579
01:35:52,550 --> 01:35:49,920
to process it at a biochemical level so

2580
01:35:54,790 --> 01:35:52,560
if et is doing that what are they

2581
01:35:57,430 --> 01:35:54,800
simulating to me

2582
01:36:00,229 --> 01:35:57,440
i would read it as they're simulating

2583
01:36:01,669 --> 01:36:00,239
something that is real is authentic and

2584
01:36:03,669 --> 01:36:01,679
they're trying to

2585
01:36:05,750 --> 01:36:03,679
co-opt it in some way

2586
01:36:09,350 --> 01:36:05,760
possible or for instance that there's a

2587
01:36:11,510 --> 01:36:09,360
layer of say a field of let's say rupert

2588
01:36:14,310 --> 01:36:11,520
sheldrake's morphe resonance field let's

2589
01:36:15,830 --> 01:36:14,320
just say just to hypothesize this and

2590
01:36:17,189 --> 01:36:15,840
then it's something so subtle that we

2591
01:36:18,229 --> 01:36:17,199
can't measure with our current

2592
01:36:20,709 --> 01:36:18,239
instruments

2593
01:36:23,109 --> 01:36:20,719
but that somehow we are then

2594
01:36:24,790 --> 01:36:23,119
experiencing reality so to speak within

2595
01:36:29,030 --> 01:36:24,800
this

2596
01:36:31,669 --> 01:36:29,040
our consciousness but it's not the

2597
01:36:34,470 --> 01:36:31,679
ultimate foundation of reality and that

2598
01:36:35,590 --> 01:36:34,480
somehow these ufo beings are able to

2599
01:36:36,550 --> 01:36:35,600
manipulate

2600
01:36:39,669 --> 01:36:36,560
this

2601
01:36:40,870 --> 01:36:39,679
more subtle reality

2602
01:36:43,669 --> 01:36:40,880
and give us

2603
01:36:45,270 --> 01:36:43,679
experiences which are so vivid so

2604
01:36:47,510 --> 01:36:45,280
real seeming

2605
01:36:49,669 --> 01:36:47,520
and filled with so much emotion

2606
01:36:51,990 --> 01:36:49,679
and it is still on this

2607
01:36:54,470 --> 01:36:52,000
sort of intermediary level between

2608
01:36:56,070 --> 01:36:54,480
physical normal consciousness and the

2609
01:36:59,350 --> 01:36:56,080
ultimate foundation

2610
01:37:00,149 --> 01:36:59,360
of let's say some idealistic universe of

2611
01:37:02,149 --> 01:37:00,159
of

2612
01:37:04,870 --> 01:37:02,159
consciousness is

2613
01:37:08,070 --> 01:37:04,880
immaterial and completely free of

2614
01:37:10,229 --> 01:37:08,080
material see so again you know a

2615
01:37:11,669 --> 01:37:10,239
possibility and certainly something that

2616
01:37:13,830 --> 01:37:11,679
has to be

2617
01:37:16,550 --> 01:37:13,840
thrown on the table and considered as an

2618
01:37:20,070 --> 01:37:16,560
explanation for some of these cases

2619
01:37:22,390 --> 01:37:20,080
it doesn't to me fit with the overall

2620
01:37:24,550 --> 01:37:22,400
data on the near death experience

2621
01:37:26,790 --> 01:37:24,560
experience because

2622
01:37:28,550 --> 01:37:26,800
one thing i always try and remind people

2623
01:37:30,870 --> 01:37:28,560
of with the near death experience is you

2624
01:37:32,950 --> 01:37:30,880
you almost have to bifurcate it in term

2625
01:37:35,830 --> 01:37:32,960
into two parts one is

2626
01:37:38,070 --> 01:37:35,840
is it evidential of extended

2627
01:37:40,629 --> 01:37:38,080
consciousness and you go

2628
01:37:43,350 --> 01:37:40,639
boom boom boom over and over again okay

2629
01:37:45,830 --> 01:37:43,360
it is so back to this getting past

2630
01:37:49,350 --> 01:37:45,840
scientific materialism were there

2631
01:37:51,350 --> 01:37:49,360
from that then can we make certain

2632
01:37:54,390 --> 01:37:51,360
assumptions can we begin to find

2633
01:37:56,229 --> 01:37:54,400
patterns in the stories in the accounts

2634
01:37:58,070 --> 01:37:56,239
and i think we can again you reference

2635
01:38:00,310 --> 01:37:58,080
jeff long

2636
01:38:01,189 --> 01:38:00,320
statistically you start seeing patterns

2637
01:38:03,510 --> 01:38:01,199
that

2638
01:38:06,709 --> 01:38:03,520
you you can't totally go there but you

2639
01:38:08,310 --> 01:38:06,719
can say hey that that doesn't really

2640
01:38:10,550 --> 01:38:08,320
that seems to be pointing towards

2641
01:38:11,669 --> 01:38:10,560
something you know i i always reference

2642
01:38:13,910 --> 01:38:11,679
the

2643
01:38:15,590 --> 01:38:13,920
netflix excellent special

2644
01:38:17,350 --> 01:38:15,600
surviving death i think is the name of

2645
01:38:19,590 --> 01:38:17,360
it by leslie kane again who did a

2646
01:38:22,310 --> 01:38:19,600
fantastic job but

2647
01:38:25,189 --> 01:38:22,320
the opening scene of that six-part

2648
01:38:26,470 --> 01:38:25,199
series on netflix is this woman who her

2649
01:38:29,270 --> 01:38:26,480
name escapes him right now but she's

2650
01:38:32,070 --> 01:38:29,280
become quite famous she was

2651
01:38:34,709 --> 01:38:32,080
a a doctor and quite an quite an

2652
01:38:36,629 --> 01:38:34,719
accomplished doctor and she was kayaking

2653
01:38:38,310 --> 01:38:36,639
down in central america

2654
01:38:40,390 --> 01:38:38,320
and her kayak turned over and she was

2655
01:38:42,310 --> 01:38:40,400
underwater for 20 minutes and she died

2656
01:38:44,629 --> 01:38:42,320
and she had a near-death experience

2657
01:38:47,910 --> 01:38:44,639
classic near-death experience

2658
01:38:49,750 --> 01:38:47,920
the crux or the the real kind of

2659
01:38:52,229 --> 01:38:49,760
point of her near-death experience is

2660
01:38:54,550 --> 01:38:52,239
she reaches a point where many endy ears

2661
01:38:56,550 --> 01:38:54,560
do where she actually has a choice again

2662
01:38:58,709 --> 01:38:56,560
this speaks to the issue of free will

2663
01:39:00,870 --> 01:38:58,719
philosophically the choice shall she

2664
01:39:04,229 --> 01:39:00,880
return to her life

2665
01:39:05,590 --> 01:39:04,239
as she knew it or shall she stay in this

2666
01:39:08,470 --> 01:39:05,600
other realm

2667
01:39:10,149 --> 01:39:08,480
she chooses to return as she's walking

2668
01:39:11,669 --> 01:39:10,159
out the door and this makes no sense to

2669
01:39:13,750 --> 01:39:11,679
me i don't know how to make sense of it

2670
01:39:15,590 --> 01:39:13,760
but this is her account as she's quote

2671
01:39:19,350 --> 01:39:15,600
unquote walking out the door i'm kidding

2672
01:39:22,470 --> 01:39:19,360
they go oh by the way your son

2673
01:39:25,590 --> 01:39:22,480
sorry but he only has 10 years to live

2674
01:39:27,669 --> 01:39:25,600
so she returns and her husband and her

2675
01:39:30,470 --> 01:39:27,679
are living with this which is

2676
01:39:32,390 --> 01:39:30,480
unimaginable to me you know having kids

2677
01:39:34,310 --> 01:39:32,400
that your son has 10 years to live but

2678
01:39:35,270 --> 01:39:34,320
they're like we don't know you know life

2679
01:39:39,270 --> 01:39:35,280
is

2680
01:39:41,430 --> 01:39:39,280
that 10 years pass

2681
01:39:43,830 --> 01:39:41,440
and they're like

2682
01:39:44,950 --> 01:39:43,840
cautiously celebrating because he hasn't

2683
01:39:46,709 --> 01:39:44,960
died

2684
01:39:48,310 --> 01:39:46,719
within several months he walks out into

2685
01:39:49,350 --> 01:39:48,320
the street and is hit by a boss and is

2686
01:39:50,550 --> 01:39:49,360
killed

2687
01:39:52,470 --> 01:39:50,560
so

2688
01:39:54,709 --> 01:39:52,480
that account to me

2689
01:39:57,350 --> 01:39:54,719
doesn't sound like e.t

2690
01:39:59,189 --> 01:39:57,360
and the hundreds and hundreds of other

2691
01:40:02,070 --> 01:39:59,199
accounts that i've read

2692
01:40:04,870 --> 01:40:02,080
don't sound like e.t they sound like

2693
01:40:06,229 --> 01:40:04,880
more what we'd identify as genuine

2694
01:40:10,790 --> 01:40:06,239
compassion

2695
01:40:13,270 --> 01:40:10,800
genuine love genuine experiences of

2696
01:40:15,629 --> 01:40:13,280
the highest order of

2697
01:40:18,550 --> 01:40:15,639
feelings of this

2698
01:40:20,390 --> 01:40:18,560
spirituality that we all experience at

2699
01:40:22,550 --> 01:40:20,400
our best in

2700
01:40:25,270 --> 01:40:22,560
and most profound times that is

2701
01:40:27,990 --> 01:40:25,280
uplifting and the counter to that i

2702
01:40:31,030 --> 01:40:28,000
think would have to fit inside of some

2703
01:40:33,910 --> 01:40:31,040
other paradigm so if there is another

2704
01:40:36,229 --> 01:40:33,920
paradigm in which that would fit then i

2705
01:40:38,870 --> 01:40:36,239
think you have to offer some kind of

2706
01:40:41,350 --> 01:40:38,880
explanation for how that would work

2707
01:40:43,750 --> 01:40:41,360
and even what would be the goals of such

2708
01:40:45,350 --> 01:40:43,760
such a paradigm and all those whined

2709
01:40:47,590 --> 01:40:45,360
with me

2710
01:40:49,990 --> 01:40:47,600
sounding very materialistic

2711
01:40:51,990 --> 01:40:50,000
sound very much like well the aliens

2712
01:40:54,950 --> 01:40:52,000
need to collect gold to get their

2713
01:40:57,470 --> 01:40:54,960
atmosphere back they sound so not

2714
01:40:59,430 --> 01:40:57,480
spiritual that they are almost a

2715
01:41:02,550 --> 01:40:59,440
non-starting point

2716
01:41:05,350 --> 01:41:02,560
okay i i agree with you on your analysis

2717
01:41:08,229 --> 01:41:05,360
of the data just on the data of the ndes

2718
01:41:09,750 --> 01:41:08,239
right we can establish that with enough

2719
01:41:11,590 --> 01:41:09,760
surety i think

2720
01:41:12,709 --> 01:41:11,600
that that is a genuine pattern that

2721
01:41:14,229 --> 01:41:12,719
there is

2722
01:41:16,390 --> 01:41:14,239
this uh

2723
01:41:18,470 --> 01:41:16,400
love is hugely important and that there

2724
01:41:20,390 --> 01:41:18,480
are hierarchies that there's god

2725
01:41:22,229 --> 01:41:20,400
let me just add i have to i have to add

2726
01:41:25,669 --> 01:41:22,239
one thing because it's an important

2727
01:41:26,950 --> 01:41:25,679
distinction it's not a feeling of love

2728
01:41:29,510 --> 01:41:26,960
right

2729
01:41:31,510 --> 01:41:29,520
because it can't be a feeling of love

2730
01:41:34,709 --> 01:41:31,520
because when we use that language we're

2731
01:41:37,669 --> 01:41:34,719
talking about a biochemical reaction

2732
01:41:39,030 --> 01:41:37,679
inside of this biology that we walk

2733
01:41:41,030 --> 01:41:39,040
around with

2734
01:41:43,189 --> 01:41:41,040
and these people and it's an important

2735
01:41:46,390 --> 01:41:43,199
point from the near-death experience

2736
01:41:49,030 --> 01:41:46,400
we know they are relieved of that

2737
01:41:52,070 --> 01:41:49,040
of of of those requirements they no

2738
01:41:55,510 --> 01:41:52,080
longer have a physiology that could

2739
01:41:57,830 --> 01:41:55,520
process that biochemical reaction so we

2740
01:41:59,590 --> 01:41:57,840
would have to speculate on that whole

2741
01:42:01,669 --> 01:41:59,600
level as well

2742
01:42:02,709 --> 01:42:01,679
yeah that's speculation as well because

2743
01:42:06,149 --> 01:42:02,719
um

2744
01:42:07,030 --> 01:42:06,159
we could call it a sensation or

2745
01:42:28,709 --> 01:42:07,040
a

2746
01:42:29,430 --> 01:42:28,719
i know i know this is the

2747
01:42:44,790 --> 01:42:29,440
the

2748
01:42:47,590 --> 01:42:44,800
certain things for instance love and

2749
01:42:50,310 --> 01:42:47,600
sometimes fear and yeah but nelson i'm

2750
01:42:52,709 --> 01:42:50,320
i'm saying it more from a kind of

2751
01:42:54,790 --> 01:42:52,719
nuts and pulse materialistic standpoint

2752
01:42:57,669 --> 01:42:54,800
if you're going to drag along the whole

2753
01:42:59,990 --> 01:42:57,679
biochemical reaction inside the body and

2754
01:43:02,709 --> 01:43:00,000
the inside the brain which people want

2755
01:43:04,790 --> 01:43:02,719
to do that is gone so whatever you're

2756
01:43:05,669 --> 01:43:04,800
going to speculate about

2757
01:43:07,830 --> 01:43:05,679
you ca

2758
01:43:10,390 --> 01:43:07,840
whoever it is you're saying can spill

2759
01:43:12,950 --> 01:43:10,400
still experience the feelings you're

2760
01:43:16,149 --> 01:43:12,960
going to have to leave behind all the

2761
01:43:19,030 --> 01:43:16,159
neurology all the physiology all the

2762
01:43:21,830 --> 01:43:19,040
biochemistry associated with what we

2763
01:43:23,510 --> 01:43:21,840
commonly talk about as experiencing

2764
01:43:25,990 --> 01:43:23,520
feelings you know and you know what i'm

2765
01:43:29,189 --> 01:43:26,000
saying yeah so we just have to be open i

2766
01:43:31,189 --> 01:43:29,199
think to the possibility that

2767
01:43:33,910 --> 01:43:31,199
when you're in these altered

2768
01:43:35,910 --> 01:43:33,920
states of not being corporeal that

2769
01:43:38,149 --> 01:43:35,920
you're you can still

2770
01:43:40,470 --> 01:43:38,159
sense certain things certain longings as

2771
01:43:41,510 --> 01:43:40,480
well for instance see loved ones again

2772
01:43:43,030 --> 01:43:41,520
and i just think it would be

2773
01:43:44,149 --> 01:43:43,040
closed-minded just

2774
01:43:45,350 --> 01:43:44,159
to

2775
01:43:48,550 --> 01:43:45,360
assume

2776
01:43:52,870 --> 01:43:48,560
that certain sensations are only

2777
01:43:54,149 --> 01:43:52,880
physical such as love or fear or longing

2778
01:43:56,310 --> 01:43:54,159
because

2779
01:43:59,510 --> 01:43:56,320
it doesn't seem to fit with the data

2780
01:44:01,990 --> 01:43:59,520
well but my point is once you get there

2781
01:44:04,310 --> 01:44:02,000
then kind of all bets are off because

2782
01:44:07,669 --> 01:44:04,320
now you're talking about your

2783
01:44:09,510 --> 01:44:07,679
uh shape-shifting reptilian and you you

2784
01:44:11,270 --> 01:44:09,520
you just have no

2785
01:44:13,830 --> 01:44:11,280
you're

2786
01:44:16,950 --> 01:44:13,840
you have no way of really talking about

2787
01:44:20,149 --> 01:44:16,960
what a shape-shifting reptilian is

2788
01:44:21,350 --> 01:44:20,159
when we talk about you experiencing what

2789
01:44:24,229 --> 01:44:21,360
you're

2790
01:44:26,470 --> 01:44:24,239
you experiencing what your brain is

2791
01:44:28,310 --> 01:44:26,480
setting off in your head

2792
01:44:30,550 --> 01:44:28,320
that's one thing and if we talk about

2793
01:44:32,790 --> 01:44:30,560
that shape-shifting reptilian

2794
01:44:35,030 --> 01:44:32,800
coming in and raping a loved one of

2795
01:44:37,109 --> 01:44:35,040
yours we can talk about that but as soon

2796
01:44:39,830 --> 01:44:37,119
as we shift to that other realm

2797
01:44:41,830 --> 01:44:39,840
again kind of all bets are off we don't

2798
01:44:43,189 --> 01:44:41,840
we don't even know what your experience

2799
01:44:45,350 --> 01:44:43,199
is anymore

2800
01:44:47,510 --> 01:44:45,360
we can't directly establish causation

2801
01:44:49,270 --> 01:44:47,520
right we can't really

2802
01:44:51,510 --> 01:44:49,280
establish that but i would just go back

2803
01:44:54,629 --> 01:44:51,520
to this looking at patterns again

2804
01:44:56,870 --> 01:44:54,639
and this is going to come into the

2805
01:44:58,790 --> 01:44:56,880
scio angle of things

2806
01:45:00,310 --> 01:44:58,800
and that

2807
01:45:03,669 --> 01:45:00,320
if you look at what richard dolan was

2808
01:45:05,750 --> 01:45:03,679
this guiding of the tall greys and the

2809
01:45:07,990 --> 01:45:05,760
reported experiences of these people of

2810
01:45:10,629 --> 01:45:08,000
overwhelming love and you compare this

2811
01:45:13,350 --> 01:45:10,639
to the near death experience reports of

2812
01:45:15,270 --> 01:45:13,360
this overwhelming love and then you look

2813
01:45:16,870 --> 01:45:15,280
at for instance the new testament and

2814
01:45:18,870 --> 01:45:16,880
it's all about love

2815
01:45:20,310 --> 01:45:18,880
love is all that matters and

2816
01:45:22,629 --> 01:45:20,320
yeah it is very

2817
01:45:25,350 --> 01:45:22,639
much just on this jesus character that

2818
01:45:28,070 --> 01:45:25,360
we also look at the um counter culture

2819
01:45:30,870 --> 01:45:28,080
in the 60s 1960s with the beatles all

2820
01:45:32,550 --> 01:45:30,880
you need is love and i

2821
01:45:34,709 --> 01:45:32,560
just started to get a little bit

2822
01:45:37,430 --> 01:45:34,719
suspicious of this why is it always just

2823
01:45:39,510 --> 01:45:37,440
love why is it all only about that and

2824
01:45:40,870 --> 01:45:39,520
not about for instance

2825
01:45:42,950 --> 01:45:40,880
material

2826
01:45:44,390 --> 01:45:42,960
accomplishments in this world why is it

2827
01:45:46,390 --> 01:45:44,400
always just love

2828
01:45:48,790 --> 01:45:46,400
and i just started to get suspicious

2829
01:45:50,709 --> 01:45:48,800
that this was some sort of scion and i'm

2830
01:45:53,030 --> 01:45:50,719
not saying it is i'm just throwing it

2831
01:45:55,189 --> 01:45:53,040
out there as a devil's advocate right

2832
01:45:56,950 --> 01:45:55,199
right it so the only thing and this is

2833
01:45:58,550 --> 01:45:56,960
going to hopefully get us into this kind

2834
01:46:00,229 --> 01:45:58,560
of last topic that we're going to talk

2835
01:46:01,910 --> 01:46:00,239
about because i want to talk about the

2836
01:46:04,470 --> 01:46:01,920
romans i want to talk about the

2837
01:46:07,590 --> 01:46:04,480
christian psyop and i want to

2838
01:46:09,750 --> 01:46:07,600
it's been an absolutely terrific chat

2839
01:46:11,590 --> 01:46:09,760
nelson where do we go from here where do

2840
01:46:13,510 --> 01:46:11,600
you go from here are you

2841
01:46:15,030 --> 01:46:13,520
writing about this publishing any of

2842
01:46:18,070 --> 01:46:15,040
this or is it just

2843
01:46:20,310 --> 01:46:18,080
cooking up there in your brain

2844
01:46:23,030 --> 01:46:20,320
it's it's in the cooking mode at the

2845
01:46:24,390 --> 01:46:23,040
moment and oh i'll be in touch with you

2846
01:46:26,629 --> 01:46:24,400
after the show and i'll send you some

2847
01:46:29,350 --> 01:46:26,639
links as well okay i don't even have a

2848
01:46:31,590 --> 01:46:29,360
website yet so oh but i'll i'll give you

2849
01:46:33,590 --> 01:46:31,600
some links of i'll start some things up

2850
01:46:35,510 --> 01:46:33,600
as well because i am planning on

2851
01:46:37,350 --> 01:46:35,520
actually writing a historical novel and

2852
01:46:38,629 --> 01:46:37,360
i've like even david matheson and our

2853
01:46:41,109 --> 01:46:38,639
discussions with each other he

2854
01:46:43,109 --> 01:46:41,119
recommended i would write a book and

2855
01:46:44,790 --> 01:46:43,119
i really appreciate his work by the way

2856
01:46:46,550 --> 01:46:44,800
david matheson so i don't want to be too

2857
01:46:49,109 --> 01:46:46,560
harsh on some of these

2858
01:46:51,270 --> 01:46:49,119
great thinkers and researchers

2859
01:46:54,470 --> 01:46:51,280
grateful it's been terrific and thanks

2860
01:46:55,830 --> 01:46:54,480
again nelson we'll stay in touch

2861
01:46:57,990 --> 01:46:55,840
all right thank you very much it's been

2862
01:47:00,310 --> 01:46:58,000
a pleasure thanks again to nelson for

2863
01:47:06,390 --> 01:47:00,320
joining me today on skeptico the one

2864
01:47:10,790 --> 01:47:09,669
what do you make of nelson's suspicion

2865
01:47:14,149 --> 01:47:10,800
about

2866
01:47:15,910 --> 01:47:14,159
love in the extended consciousness realm

2867
01:47:17,870 --> 01:47:15,920
i love the

2868
01:47:20,950 --> 01:47:17,880
the pullback the paranoia the

2869
01:47:24,629 --> 01:47:20,960
conspiratorial mindset it's so

2870
01:47:26,390 --> 01:47:24,639
importantly refreshing from a

2871
01:47:30,709 --> 01:47:26,400
from an academic

2872
01:47:33,350 --> 01:47:30,719
real philos

2873
01:47:35,750 --> 01:47:33,360
from a from a really deep thinker

2874
01:47:37,990 --> 01:47:35,760
academically trained deep thinker like

2875
01:47:40,229 --> 01:47:38,000
nelson it's quite refreshing and i think

2876
01:47:42,229 --> 01:47:40,239
it took us in so many interesting ways

2877
01:47:43,350 --> 01:47:42,239
but what do you think about his theory

2878
01:47:45,830 --> 01:47:43,360
let me know

2879
01:47:48,149 --> 01:47:45,840
come to the skeptical forum like nelson

2880
01:47:51,109 --> 01:47:48,159
did and make some brilliant comments i'd

2881
01:47:54,710 --> 01:47:51,119
love to find you there until next time

2882
01:48:08,310 --> 01:47:54,720
take care and bye for now